Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches

AsylumGuido · 08-09-2014, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

There were times also when he was kinda standing there looking for a person to block as the runner got tackled right behind him. fire out of the stance and lay the lumber. oh thats right he is to tall fire out the block. at least stand in the way and push the guy on a consistent bases then you are doing better jimmy. I do not expect pancakes from jimmy at all. just some bread and butter and a bit of jam

It is really sad that you have this hatred in you.

Standing there looking for a person to block means that there was no one there to block. Get over it. You are beginning to sound foolish with this Graham bashing.

hagan714 · 08-10-2014, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It is really sad that you have this hatred in you.

Standing there looking for a person to block means that there was no one there to block. Get over it. You are beginning to sound foolish with this Graham bashing.

hate? no where did i ever say i hated the guy. this is all bout his contract and last statements thats all.

look jimmy size limits his ability to block thats all. he is not a complete TE nor will he ever be, it is physically impossible for him to be. he needs to become a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all.

i want to see him perform a text book block. sorry there too few players tall enough for him to do it to. too tall jones retired

jimmy size also limits his quickness out of a stance or getting out of the block. it is just the laws of physics.

Once again Jimmy is not a great blocker. he is ok and could use some work. I will repeat it again: a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all.

but that is not what we pay him for by any means.

damn i just deleted the game. the block i believe was towards the end of the first half. the DE or LB blew right between the TE and LT. he came through clean. blown assignment? just a good play the defender? does not really matter to tell you the truth. it was funny to see him standing there looking confused. I can point out a ton of players that look that way in this game and yes i shook my head and laughed at each one. so jimmy aint alone on this one.

remember the rams are a good team. so it will happen. plus by the end of the game i say the rams depth chart is way more athletic than ours is.

just some bread and butter and a bit of jam

his bread and butter we all know

bit of Jam is his blocking

I was trying to be lite heart-ed about the whole thing.

AsylumGuido · 08-10-2014, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

hate? no where did i ever say i hated the guy. this is all bout his contract and last statements thats all.

look jimmy size limits his ability to block thats all. he is not a complete TE nor will he ever be, it is physically impossible for him to be. he needs to become a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all.

i want to see him perform a text book block. sorry there too few players tall enough for him to do it to. too tall jones retired

jimmy size also limits his quickness out of a stance or getting out of the block. it is just the laws of physics.

Once again Jimmy is not a great blocker. he is ok and could use some work. I will repeat it again: a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all.

but that is not what we pay him for by any means.

damn i just deleted the game. the block i believe was towards the end of the first half. the DE or LB blew right between the TE and LT. he came through clean. blown assignment? just a good play the defender? does not really matter to tell you the truth. it was funny to see him standing there looking confused. I can point out a ton of players that look that way in this game and yes i shook my head and laughed at each one. so jimmy aint alone on this one.

remember the rams are a good team. so it will happen. plus by the end of the game i say the rams depth chart is way more athletic than ours is.

just some bread and butter and a bit of jam

his bread and butter we all know

bit of Jam is his blocking

I was trying to be lite heart-ed about the whole thing.

So how does Graham get the blame when the LT let him go, too? It is the LT's primary job to block and you give him no grief? You pick out one play to bash Graham on.

Cruize · 08-09-2014, 05:57 PM

You have to want to block, i.e. get physical, and at the very least engage a defender to to accomplish anything. You don't have to maul him. You don't have to pancake him. Just put in the effort and engage him. If you're engaged with a defender, at the very least he's going to have to work around or through you. Even if a defender trucks you, he had to take the time and effort to do so. That gives the ball carrier atleast a shot to avoid him.

saintsfan403 · 08-09-2014, 06:13 PM

I just rewatched that play, Simms swam the f*ck out of Graham, but Graham over extended as well. It was a pretty bad play by JG but I would be pretty hard pressed to say he was playing matador on that one.

AsylumGuido · 08-09-2014, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

I just rewatched that play, Simms swam the f*ck out of Graham, but Graham over extended as well. It was a pretty bad play by JG but I would be pretty hard pressed to say he was playing matador on that one.

So basically, the accusing poster was full of crap ... as usual when he repeatedly bashes Graham.

dizzle88 · 08-10-2014, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So basically, the accusing poster was full of crap ... as usual when he repeatedly bashes Graham.

Really no need to start insulting people about it, Graham made some good blocks to spring Ingram on his runs but the cadet one was a terrible play on Graham's part, Simms made it look like Graham wasn't even there

Schmohams · 08-10-2014, 08:41 AM

I think the reason Jimmy's blocking is in question is because we throw a majority of the time when he's in, that and Gronk fan girls and trying to show us why they think he is better than Jimmy.

billyt81 · 08-12-2014, 07:02 PM

Ok, first of all, Jimmy is not a great blocker. Were not asking him to pancake Cam Jordan, but how about stalemating Junior Galette? And being 6"6 does not mean you can't block. Many outstanding O-Lineman have been 6"5 or 6"6. Jimmy is an inexperienced football player. I think eventually he'll learn how to stiff arm, break tackles and run block more effectively.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-13-2014, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

Ok, first of all, Jimmy is not a great blocker. Were not asking him to pancake Cam Jordan, but how about stalemating Junior Galette?

What exactly is the difference? Both were among the best OLB/DE edge rushers in the NFL last year.

And being 6"6 does not mean you can't block. Many outstanding O-Lineman have been 6"5 or 6"6. Jimmy is an inexperienced football player. I think eventually he'll learn how to stiff arm, break tackles and run block more effectively.

He's not a lineman. He's a tight end. For comparison:

Graham: 6'7" 265 lbs
Armstead: 6'5" 305 lbs

There are no 265 lbs offensive tackles in the NFL for a reason.

And honestly any comparison to Ditka from 40 years ago is lame (in reference to another post somewhere). The speed and size of defensive linemen from the two eras are so different, that no comparison really makes sense.

A tight end in today's NFL isn't an extra lineman. It's not like Harris (or in the past Streif) checking in as tackle eligible. A tight end that can help on a double team, can set an edge, and can chip while going out on a route can be effective on the end of the line.

SFIAH

08-09-2014, 05:14 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Originally Posted by hagan714 There were times also when he was kinda standing there looking for a person to block as the runner got tackled right behind him. fire out of the stance and lay the lumber. oh thats right he is to tall fire out the block. at least stand in the way and push the guy on a consistent bases then you are doing better jimmy. I do not expect pancakes from jimmy at all. just some bread and butter and a bit of jam It is really sad that you have this hatred in you. Standing there looking for a person to block means that there was no one there to block. Get over it. You are beginning to sound foolish with this Graham bashing.

08-10-2014, 08:10 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It is really sad that you have this hatred in you. Standing there looking for a person to block means that there was no one there to block. Get over it. You are beginning to sound foolish with this Graham bashing. hate? no where did i ever say i hated the guy. this is all bout his contract and last statements thats all. look jimmy size limits his ability to block thats all. he is not a complete TE nor will he ever be, it is physically impossible for him to be. he needs to become a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all. i want to see him perform a text book block. sorry there too few players tall enough for him to do it to. too tall jones retired jimmy size also limits his quickness out of a stance or getting out of the block. it is just the laws of physics. Once again Jimmy is not a great blocker. he is ok and could use some work. I will repeat it again: a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all. but that is not what we pay him for by any means. damn i just deleted the game. the block i believe was towards the end of the first half. the DE or LB blew right between the TE and LT. he came through clean. blown assignment? just a good play the defender? does not really matter to tell you the truth. it was funny to see him standing there looking confused. I can point out a ton of players that look that way in this game and yes i shook my head and laughed at each one. so jimmy aint alone on this one. remember the rams are a good team. so it will happen. plus by the end of the game i say the rams depth chart is way more athletic than ours is. just some bread and butter and a bit of jam his bread and butter we all know bit of Jam is his blocking I was trying to be lite heart-ed about the whole thing.
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08-10-2014, 09:10 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Originally Posted by hagan714 hate? no where did i ever say i hated the guy. this is all bout his contract and last statements thats all. look jimmy size limits his ability to block thats all. he is not a complete TE nor will he ever be, it is physically impossible for him to be. he needs to become a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all. i want to see him perform a text book block. sorry there too few players tall enough for him to do it to. too tall jones retired jimmy size also limits his quickness out of a stance or getting out of the block. it is just the laws of physics. Once again Jimmy is not a great blocker. he is ok and could use some work. I will repeat it again: a bit more physical when setting a his basketball screen thats all. but that is not what we pay him for by any means. damn i just deleted the game. the block i believe was towards the end of the first half. the DE or LB blew right between the TE and LT. he came through clean. blown assignment? just a good play the defender? does not really matter to tell you the truth. it was funny to see him standing there looking confused. I can point out a ton of players that look that way in this game and yes i shook my head and laughed at each one. so jimmy aint alone on this one. remember the rams are a good team. so it will happen. plus by the end of the game i say the rams depth chart is way more athletic than ours is. just some bread and butter and a bit of jam his bread and butter we all know bit of Jam is his blocking I was trying to be lite heart-ed about the whole thing. So how does Graham get the blame when the LT let him go, too? It is the LT's primary job to block and you give him no grief? You pick out one play to bash Graham on.

08-09-2014, 05:57 PM	#4
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches You have to want to block, i.e. get physical, and at the very least engage a defender to to accomplish anything. You don't have to maul him. You don't have to pancake him. Just put in the effort and engage him. If you're engaged with a defender, at the very least he's going to have to work around or through you. Even if a defender trucks you, he had to take the time and effort to do so. That gives the ball carrier atleast a shot to avoid him.
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08-09-2014, 06:13 PM	#5
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches I just rewatched that play, Simms swam the f*ck out of Graham, but Graham over extended as well. It was a pretty bad play by JG but I would be pretty hard pressed to say he was playing matador on that one.

08-09-2014, 06:42 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Originally Posted by saintsfan403 I just rewatched that play, Simms swam the f*ck out of Graham, but Graham over extended as well. It was a pretty bad play by JG but I would be pretty hard pressed to say he was playing matador on that one. So basically, the accusing poster was full of crap ... as usual when he repeatedly bashes Graham.

08-10-2014, 02:21 AM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So basically, the accusing poster was full of crap ... as usual when he repeatedly bashes Graham. Really no need to start insulting people about it, Graham made some good blocks to spring Ingram on his runs but the cadet one was a terrible play on Graham's part, Simms made it look like Graham wasn't even there

08-10-2014, 08:41 AM	#8
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches I think the reason Jimmy's blocking is in question is because we throw a majority of the time when he's in, that and Gronk fan girls and trying to show us why they think he is better than Jimmy.

08-12-2014, 07:02 PM	#9
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Ok, first of all, Jimmy is not a great blocker. Were not asking him to pancake Cam Jordan, but how about stalemating Junior Galette? And being 6"6 does not mean you can't block. Many outstanding O-Lineman have been 6"5 or 6"6. Jimmy is an inexperienced football player. I think eventually he'll learn how to stiff arm, break tackles and run block more effectively.

08-13-2014, 02:40 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Saints' Graham looks to improve blocking as preseason opener approaches Originally Posted by billyt81 Ok, first of all, Jimmy is not a great blocker. Were not asking him to pancake Cam Jordan, but how about stalemating Junior Galette? What exactly is the difference? Both were among the best OLB/DE edge rushers in the NFL last year. And being 6"6 does not mean you can't block. Many outstanding O-Lineman have been 6"5 or 6"6. Jimmy is an inexperienced football player. I think eventually he'll learn how to stiff arm, break tackles and run block more effectively. He's not a lineman. He's a tight end. For comparison: Graham: 6'7" 265 lbs Armstead: 6'5" 305 lbs There are no 265 lbs offensive tackles in the NFL for a reason. And honestly any comparison to Ditka from 40 years ago is lame (in reference to another post somewhere). The speed and size of defensive linemen from the two eras are so different, that no comparison really makes sense. A tight end in today's NFL isn't an extra lineman. It's not like Harris (or in the past Streif) checking in as tackle eligible. A tight end that can help on a double team, can set an edge, and can chip while going out on a route can be effective on the end of the line. SFIAH
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