PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense

billyt81 · 09-04-2014, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

LOL, how many times have we seen Jimmy run over a DB in the open field, or drag a couple of them into the end zone? I don't know what games you've been watching but they're not Saints games.

Also, Shockey was one of the very best blocking tight ends in the NFL. You saying Shockey can't block is like saying Drew Brees can't throw.

I never thought Shockey was a great blocker and I heard that opinion restated often by announcers and it was rumored to be the Giants opinion too which is why they let him go. I also disagree that Jimmy has run over a lot of cornerbacks. I have seen him dragging guys for extra yardage but rarely have I seen him break a tackle and keep running. I think JG is the best pass catcher in the league and possibly an NFL MVP. These are just the areas I'd love to see him improve.

TheOak · 09-04-2014, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

I never thought Shockey was a great blocker and I heard that opinion restated often by announcers and it was rumored to be the Giants opinion too which is why they let him go. I also disagree that Jimmy has run over a lot of cornerbacks. I have seen him dragging guys for extra yardage but rarely have I seen him break a tackle and keep running. I think JG is the best pass catcher in the league and possibly an NFL MVP. These are just the areas I'd love to see him improve.

So he drags them or dodges them but you want to see him let them wrap and then break the tackle? (Head scratcher)

If you'd like you can come watch the games at my home, we seem to be watching different games.

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Not a whole lot of tackle breaking opportunity when he is performing Cirque de Soleil just to get his hands on the ball or when everyone is going for his legs.

Papa Voodoo · 08-13-2014, 11:48 AM

I guess I'm in the minority. The Beastmode run was a great run. We were going to get knocked out of the playoffs the following week anyway. That 2010 team was too injured to win a SB.

I don't hate Seattle either. Solid team. Although Sherman is a bit annoying (I'd still take him over TO any day). I hope we meet up in the playoffs with both teams at full strength. We were not well prepared for the regular season game, but we were for the playoff game. Both coaching staffs are quick studies.

billyt81 · 08-13-2014, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I guess I'm in the minority. The Beastmode run was a great run. We were going to get knocked out of the playoffs the following week anyway. That 2010 team was too injured to win a SB.

I don't hate Seattle either. Solid team. Although Sherman is a bit annoying (I'd still take him over TO any day). I hope we meet up in the playoffs with both teams at full strength. We were not well prepared for the regular season game, but we were for the playoff game. Both coaching staffs are quick studies.

I'm thinking you're messing with me huh? Of course it was a good run. One of the best I've ever seen if not the best. But it put us out the playoffs. And why would we have got beat the following week? With Drew at QB we have a chance every week period! And if you're offering me TO or Sherman in their prime, TO all day. TO was best or 2nd best WR in the NFL to Randy Moss and most said TO was better. Sherman isn't one of the top 5 best corners in the NFL. Heck he's not the best DB on his own team. He's a solid corner on a great defense. Yes Pete Carol is a good coach but A. He's from USC and B. He's from USC. Hate him. Finally heck yes I hope we meet in the playoffs. My dream is a Saints victory with 200yds rushing and Cooks beating Sherman deep at least twice. Papa Voodoo, you were messin with me right?

Papa Voodoo · 08-13-2014, 12:25 PM

@billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game.

As far as the TO and Sherm, I was only referring to them being annoying...not as players. I'll take your dream victory any day

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-13-2014, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

@billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game.

Great except for Jenkins and Harper being the "Toast Brothers"

SFIAH

Jack Vegas · 08-13-2014, 12:40 PM

I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them).

billyt81 · 08-14-2014, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them).

Of course they're good. And recently they've had our number and as a SAINTS FAN I hate em for that and pretty much only that. First of all, Russell Wilson is the nicest guy ever and constantly vocalizes his respect for and desire to emulate Brees. Hard to hate but I find a way. I mean does anyone hate the Browns, Jags or Raiders? No cuz they're awful. Why bother.

TheOak · 08-13-2014, 12:49 PM

Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured.

It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out.

Seahawks12th · 08-13-2014, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured.

It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out.

I don't think the Saints are on Percy Harvin's Christmas list this year. Yeah, you guys are on the naughty list.

09-04-2014, 12:24 AM	#1
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Jack Vegas LOL, how many times have we seen Jimmy run over a DB in the open field, or drag a couple of them into the end zone? I don't know what games you've been watching but they're not Saints games. Also, Shockey was one of the very best blocking tight ends in the NFL. You saying Shockey can't block is like saying Drew Brees can't throw. I never thought Shockey was a great blocker and I heard that opinion restated often by announcers and it was rumored to be the Giants opinion too which is why they let him go. I also disagree that Jimmy has run over a lot of cornerbacks. I have seen him dragging guys for extra yardage but rarely have I seen him break a tackle and keep running. I think JG is the best pass catcher in the league and possibly an NFL MVP. These are just the areas I'd love to see him improve.

08-13-2014, 11:48 AM	#3
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense I guess I'm in the minority. The Beastmode run was a great run. We were going to get knocked out of the playoffs the following week anyway. That 2010 team was too injured to win a SB. I don't hate Seattle either. Solid team. Although Sherman is a bit annoying (I'd still take him over TO any day). I hope we meet up in the playoffs with both teams at full strength. We were not well prepared for the regular season game, but we were for the playoff game. Both coaching staffs are quick studies.

08-13-2014, 12:07 PM	#4
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I guess I'm in the minority. The Beastmode run was a great run. We were going to get knocked out of the playoffs the following week anyway. That 2010 team was too injured to win a SB. I don't hate Seattle either. Solid team. Although Sherman is a bit annoying (I'd still take him over TO any day). I hope we meet up in the playoffs with both teams at full strength. We were not well prepared for the regular season game, but we were for the playoff game. Both coaching staffs are quick studies. I'm thinking you're messing with me huh? Of course it was a good run. One of the best I've ever seen if not the best. But it put us out the playoffs. And why would we have got beat the following week? With Drew at QB we have a chance every week period! And if you're offering me TO or Sherman in their prime, TO all day. TO was best or 2nd best WR in the NFL to Randy Moss and most said TO was better. Sherman isn't one of the top 5 best corners in the NFL. Heck he's not the best DB on his own team. He's a solid corner on a great defense. Yes Pete Carol is a good coach but A. He's from USC and B. He's from USC. Hate him. Finally heck yes I hope we meet in the playoffs. My dream is a Saints victory with 200yds rushing and Cooks beating Sherman deep at least twice. Papa Voodoo, you were messin with me right?

08-13-2014, 12:25 PM	#5
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense @billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game. As far as the TO and Sherm, I was only referring to them being annoying...not as players. I'll take your dream victory any day

08-13-2014, 01:58 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo @billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game. Great except for Jenkins and Harper being the "Toast Brothers" SFIAH

08-13-2014, 12:40 PM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them).
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08-14-2014, 12:22 AM	#8
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them). Of course they're good. And recently they've had our number and as a SAINTS FAN I hate em for that and pretty much only that. First of all, Russell Wilson is the nicest guy ever and constantly vocalizes his respect for and desire to emulate Brees. Hard to hate but I find a way. I mean does anyone hate the Browns, Jags or Raiders? No cuz they're awful. Why bother. SaintnDE likes this.

08-13-2014, 12:49 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured. It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out.

08-13-2014, 12:52 PM	#10
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by TheOak Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured. It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out. I don't think the Saints are on Percy Harvin's Christmas list this year. Yeah, you guys are on the naughty list.

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