PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense

Jack Vegas · 08-13-2014, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

Unfortunately I agree with everything Seattlefan says. Their fans are obviously smarter than Falcon fans. Jimmy can't block and rarely runs over DBs who he often outweighs by 60+lbs. He should watch some film on Mike Ditka or Jeremy Shockey. Shockey couldn't block either but he was hell on DBs.

LOL, how many times have we seen Jimmy run over a DB in the open field, or drag a couple of them into the end zone? I don't know what games you've been watching but they're not Saints games.

Also, Shockey was one of the very best blocking tight ends in the NFL. You saying Shockey can't block is like saying Drew Brees can't throw.

Papa Voodoo · 08-13-2014, 12:25 PM

@billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game.

As far as the TO and Sherm, I was only referring to them being annoying...not as players. I'll take your dream victory any day

Jack Vegas · 08-13-2014, 12:40 PM

I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them).

TheOak · 08-13-2014, 12:49 PM

Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured.

It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out.

Seahawks12th · 08-13-2014, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

He's not a "puss," as you say. If you watch the way he runs with the ball after the catch he's a very physical and aggressive player. His blocking issues are technique, remember the kid had almost no football experience before the NFL. And the fact he had a crap foot for most of last season. In 2012 his blocking was actually good and even in 2013 his run blocking graded out better than roughly 1/2 the starting TE's in the league.

I can only comment on games that I saw. "Puss" was too harsh and I wasn't trying to create controversy, only trying to say it isn't one of his strong suits. If I were a Saints fan I would be a little frustrated. Obviously many saints fans agree with this but If I am wrong, I'm wrong. My original point was to say you guys are pretty stacked offensively and I can see why you would be ranked number 1.

My observations is that Jimmy Graham lets his bravado get in the way of common sense. He is so big and strong he can just let his play do the talking. He gets into spats with other players and some feed off of that but in his case, it seems to distract him. I have seen him run hard and be extremely physical and run over people. I think Saints fans just want to see him do it with more consistency especially against elite DB's. Maybe this is the year!!!

Seahawks12th · 08-13-2014, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured.

It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out.

I don't think the Saints are on Percy Harvin's Christmas list this year. Yeah, you guys are on the naughty list.

Rugby Saint II · 08-13-2014, 01:10 PM

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billyt81 · 08-13-2014, 01:47 PM

PapaVoodoo I can't relate to your belief that we couldn't have won the next week had we beaten the Seahawks. We would've played the Bears and then the Packers. Also I believe both of these were better matchups for us than Seattle. I definetely would've liked our chances against GreenBay who was basically a mirror image of us that year. I say if we'd have gotten past Seattle, 50/50 Saints or Packers hoist the trophy.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-13-2014, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

@billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game.

Great except for Jenkins and Harper being the "Toast Brothers"

SFIAH

billyt81 · 08-14-2014, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them).

Of course they're good. And recently they've had our number and as a SAINTS FAN I hate em for that and pretty much only that. First of all, Russell Wilson is the nicest guy ever and constantly vocalizes his respect for and desire to emulate Brees. Hard to hate but I find a way. I mean does anyone hate the Browns, Jags or Raiders? No cuz they're awful. Why bother.

08-13-2014, 12:12 PM	#21
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by billyt81 Unfortunately I agree with everything Seattlefan says. Their fans are obviously smarter than Falcon fans. Jimmy can't block and rarely runs over DBs who he often outweighs by 60+lbs. He should watch some film on Mike Ditka or Jeremy Shockey. Shockey couldn't block either but he was hell on DBs. LOL, how many times have we seen Jimmy run over a DB in the open field, or drag a couple of them into the end zone? I don't know what games you've been watching but they're not Saints games. Also, Shockey was one of the very best blocking tight ends in the NFL. You saying Shockey can't block is like saying Drew Brees can't throw. Papa Voodoo and AliJee like this.
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08-13-2014, 12:25 PM	#22
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense @billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game. As far as the TO and Sherm, I was only referring to them being annoying...not as players. I'll take your dream victory any day

08-13-2014, 12:40 PM	#23
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them).
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08-13-2014, 12:49 PM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured. It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out.

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Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Jack Vegas He's not a "puss," as you say. If you watch the way he runs with the ball after the catch he's a very physical and aggressive player. His blocking issues are technique, remember the kid had almost no football experience before the NFL. And the fact he had a crap foot for most of last season. In 2012 his blocking was actually good and even in 2013 his run blocking graded out better than roughly 1/2 the starting TE's in the league. I can only comment on games that I saw. "Puss" was too harsh and I wasn't trying to create controversy, only trying to say it isn't one of his strong suits. If I were a Saints fan I would be a little frustrated. Obviously many saints fans agree with this but If I am wrong, I'm wrong. My original point was to say you guys are pretty stacked offensively and I can see why you would be ranked number 1. My observations is that Jimmy Graham lets his bravado get in the way of common sense. He is so big and strong he can just let his play do the talking. He gets into spats with other players and some feed off of that but in his case, it seems to distract him. I have seen him run hard and be extremely physical and run over people. I think Saints fans just want to see him do it with more consistency especially against elite DB's. Maybe this is the year!!!

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Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by TheOak Jimmy has a long stride, that is not a good base for blocking. It is however a good base for 16 TD's, 86 receptions, and 1200+ yards in a season where he was playing injured. It has nothing to do with heart, it has everything to do with design. Or to Seahawks12th , heart is as relevant to Jimmy Graham's blocking as it is Perussy Harvin dressing out. I don't think the Saints are on Percy Harvin's Christmas list this year. Yeah, you guys are on the naughty list.

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billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense PapaVoodoo I can't relate to your belief that we couldn't have won the next week had we beaten the Seahawks. We would've played the Bears and then the Packers. Also I believe both of these were better matchups for us than Seattle. I definetely would've liked our chances against GreenBay who was basically a mirror image of us that year. I say if we'd have gotten past Seattle, 50/50 Saints or Packers hoist the trophy.

08-13-2014, 01:58 PM	#29
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,790	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo @billyt81, no I wasn't messing with you. Competition gets stronger each week in the playoffs and the 2010 team didn't have the juice (at least from what I saw). The 2011 team did. That SF loss stung bad, but it was a great game. Great except for Jenkins and Harper being the "Toast Brothers" SFIAH

08-14-2014, 12:22 AM	#30
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: PFF: Saints have NFL’s top offense Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I have no particular hate for the Seahawks either. Some of their fans are certainly obnoxious and over-the-top but they are a really good team and put together on a lot of the same principles as the Saints (and Patriots before them). Of course they're good. And recently they've had our number and as a SAINTS FAN I hate em for that and pretty much only that. First of all, Russell Wilson is the nicest guy ever and constantly vocalizes his respect for and desire to emulate Brees. Hard to hate but I find a way. I mean does anyone hate the Browns, Jags or Raiders? No cuz they're awful. Why bother. SaintnDE likes this.

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