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hennr 08-15-2014 11:28 PM

Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Luke plays as good to me as some low end nfl starters an Griffin is close also.Ok so no 4th te or 6th wr.Point is Saints lucky to have two good backups an with Drew at age 35 odds are he could miss a few games the next two to three years.Much more easy to find good Wr an Te off wavier wire as compared to how hard it is to find good qbs.Also Kilgore looks ok as good as canfield ever looked to me. I would be ok to see Saints put kilgore on an off practice squad.The big fact is Drew is 35 not 30 or 25 an i think the Saints could win with Luke or Griffin.:bng:::greendevil:

WhoDat!656 08-15-2014 11:44 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
IMO, the only way the Saints keep 2 back-up QBs is if there is a concern over Brees' oblique injury not fully healed.

rezburna 08-16-2014 12:03 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
I'm feeling Griffin right now. Especially after that bomb to Morgan.

pumpkindriver 08-16-2014 12:53 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
We've kept 3 before, seems smart to me. Both guys looked good tonite and together they make an insurance package the gecko would be jealous of.

WhoDat2301 08-16-2014 01:18 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
I think Griffin has a slight edge on Luke only cus he has a ton of upside and he is cheaper. Also he has looked a little better overall.

Crusader 08-16-2014 05:22 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
The young Griff is impressive and McCown has done nothing to hurt himself. It will be interesting to see what happens down the line.

Jack Vegas 08-16-2014 05:25 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
I think we have to keep them both, especially with Brees still injured right now. That's a nagging injury that could crop up again sometime during the season.

alleycat_126 08-16-2014 06:49 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
The edge to me goes to Griffin.... And you have a lot of talent to consider so this will be a year where every spot counts. Because teams were clamoring over Griffin last season he was added to the active roster. This season he is showing promise. McCown will still be available if there is and injury.

ScottF 08-16-2014 07:31 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
as always, injuries at other spots will dictatet if we can carry three. If Grubbs, Evans, Bailey, C.Rob, Lorig and Brees are all healthy, then we can.

After last night, both Griffin & McCown deserve jobs. Pretty obvious with our 2-1 passing game plan that we wanted an extended look

papz 08-16-2014 07:34 AM

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With the versatility the guys on defense have, it should increase our chances to keep both.

hennr 08-16-2014 07:38 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
35 is old for a NFL player yes Drew keeps himself in shape which is why i see him being a starter for the next 3 years.However odds are he we miss some games at 35-36-37 the body will not heal as fast.Teams have spent lots of draft picks an see these players fall by the wayside.Luke is as good as some teams starters say the bottom 8 teams an to me he is in the top 8 nfl back up Qbs.Griffin is already an average 2nd Qb with the up side to be as good as luke by next season.Also kilgore is no bum do with him like team did with Canfield an Andy tanner on an off practice squad.Next year cut luke with Griffin no#2 an Kilgore on Practice Squad as 3rd Qb.But not this year an yes average is 16 to 24 nfl teams have 3Qb on 53 roster an the other 16 to 8 teams have 3rd Qb on practice squad.An yes a few teams have 3 on 53 roster an a 4th on practice squad.

MatthewT 08-16-2014 07:57 AM

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This is obviously the best QB situation the Saints have ever had. At this point I would have to believe the Saints will keep both backups. There is no way possible Griffin would ever make it to the practice squad, so he makes the team no matter what at this point. I see McCown either making the Saints or being traded. He is another if released would be picked up by another team quickly, so probably not a release and resign type of player.

QBREES9 08-16-2014 08:25 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Griffin right now. That bomb to Morgan was a thing of beauty.

voodooido 08-16-2014 11:59 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Both have played great. If they don't keep both then I say trade Luke for a rd 6 pick. Everyone is always looking for a good backup. If they just cut Luke then someone will snatch him in a heart beat.

The Dude 08-16-2014 12:35 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 604087)
IMO, the only way the Saints keep 2 back-up QBs is if there is a concern over Brees' oblique injury not fully healed.

And I am thinking this. May be the case.
I am encouraged seeing them get all this extra work. While I don't think either QB is a legit starter in this league I do think if Brees went down for a few games Griffin or Luke could at the very least keep us respectable while Drew heals.

Cruize 08-16-2014 02:23 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Brees being injured, even though it seems minor, might make keeping 3 necessary. I hope not. I had rather keep Griffin, who's absolutely ready, and an extra S, WR, or OL player. I truly hope Kilgore will make the PS as well. The kid looks legit.

Jack Vegas 08-17-2014 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 604181)
Both have played great. If they don't keep both then I say trade Luke for a rd 6 pick. Everyone is always looking for a good backup. If they just cut Luke then someone will snatch him in a heart beat.

McCown is a lot more valuable to us than any other team because he's been in the offense for a couple years. If another team picked him up and just plopped him on the field he'd probably not look so great. For that reason I don't think anybody would trade anything for him. But I am sure he would be picked up very soon if we cut him.

saintsfan1976 08-17-2014 06:40 AM

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McCown did not look good vs the Titans. Too many off target passes.

Griffin has better accuracy and pocket awareness. He's even hung in and taken a few preseason licks to make plays.

Griffin over McCown.

jeanpierre 08-17-2014 07:19 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
I'd want to move McCown for either a cornerback, or interior offensive linemen as I'm concerned with injuries we're seeing there...

SaintFanInATLHELL 08-17-2014 08:35 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver (Post 604096)
We've kept 3 before, seems smart to me. Both guys looked good tonite and together they make an insurance package the gecko would be jealous of.

The keeping of three last year was out of necessity because Griffin was going be signed off the practice squad by the Rams. He will not make the practice squad this year. Also he wouldn't make waivers if he were cut. So that option is out.

Smart money says to cut McCown in the final cut. The Saints will not have to guarantee his contract for the year if he's not on the roster for the 1st game. It's unlikely that a team will sign him to a free agent contract until some starting QB goes down. Keep him on speed dial if a issue arises.

Getting to the bottom line is that Luke McCown would be a starting QB in this league if he had the talent to do so. Griffin has so much upside that some team will try to tap him as a starting QB if they get the chance. And unfortunately the 3rd QB on the roster can really do nothing on the 53 man roster but hold a clipboard or be deactivated every week.

So give the slot to the 6th WR or the 4th TE or the extra safety that could be used on special teams. Make Griffin the #2 QB. He has clearly shown that he can handle the load if called.

SFIAH

hennr 08-17-2014 12:21 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
If you have to cut one its Luke---Griffin has to much upside an Kilgore ok as 3rd qb on practice squad.However this year Luke is best option tf Drew has to miss a few games.One game not won because no luke on field could be no home field playoff advantage.Is that worth a te or wr who will not be active on game day.

voodooido 08-17-2014 04:11 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 604267)
McCown did not look good vs the Titans. Too many off target passes.

Griffin has better accuracy and pocket awareness. He's even hung in and taken a few preseason licks to make plays.

Griffin over McCown.


I strongly disagree. McCowan was throwing lasers! The TD's to JG were on the money in a very tight window and the side line pass to Cooks was a thing of beauty.

saintsfan1976 08-17-2014 04:44 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
McCown's first 6 passes - 3 were behind his receivers. He's inconsistent and doesn't have the ability Griffin has.

Rugby Saint II 08-17-2014 06:52 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Someone has already said that we should hold onto Luke until the final cuts and I agree. We may be able to trade him to a QB hungry team before all is said and done......he should have some really good value with two more preseason games to shine.

brees84 08-17-2014 07:20 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
49ers QBs looked horrible vs Denver. Gabbert (what a joke) and some other guys were laughable. That's one team with no backup at QB position. I don't know if they would trade again for QB.

ScottF 08-18-2014 06:14 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 604280)
The keeping of three last year was out of necessity because Griffin was going be signed off the practice squad by the Rams. He will not make the practice squad this year. Also he wouldn't make waivers if he were cut. So that option is out.

Smart money says to cut McCown in the final cut. The Saints will not have to guarantee his contract for the year if he's not on the roster for the 1st game. It's unlikely that a team will sign him to a free agent contract until some starting QB goes down. Keep him on speed dial if a issue arises.

Getting to the bottom line is that Luke McCown would be a starting QB in this league if he had the talent to do so. Griffin has so much upside that some team will try to tap him as a starting QB if they get the chance. And unfortunately the 3rd QB on the roster can really do nothing on the 53 man roster but hold a clipboard or be deactivated every week.

So give the slot to the 6th WR or the 4th TE or the extra safety that could be used on special teams. Make Griffin the #2 QB. He has clearly shown that he can handle the load if called.

SFIAH

I'm with this.
Just because they both could do the job doesn't mean we have to keep both. Are we really worried about facing McCown if some team picks him up? And the playbook thing is overrated.

Danno 08-18-2014 06:47 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
I think we only keep 2 in order to keep that 6th WR or 5th safety.

SaintsBro 08-18-2014 06:55 PM

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I actually think that when it gets down to that last spot or two on the roster, I think Payton goes with keeping the best 53 guys who can make an impact (as he has often said), and it's not so much of a formula of we have to have 3 of this position, 4 of that, 6 of these, etc....if Griffin and Luke are still clearly neck and neck and both playing extremely well after Game 4.... I think we will keep both. Unless that 6th WR or 5th safety or unknown special teamer are playing extremely lights-out football....

ScottF 08-18-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 604524)
I actually think that when it gets down to that last spot or two on the roster, I think Payton goes with keeping the best 53 guys who can make an impact (as he has often said), and it's not so much of a formula of we have to have 3 of this position, 4 of that, 6 of these, etc....if Griffin and Luke are still clearly neck and neck and both playing extremely well after Game 4.... I think we will keep both. Unless that 6th WR or 5th safety or unknown special teamer are playing extremely lights-out football....

if this is true ^ , and I believe it is, then there is no way we keep 3 qbs. Guys like Knox or Sunseri have earned that 53rd spot, not a guy who won't even dress on game day

Audiotom 08-18-2014 10:48 PM

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Griffin looks like a natural running the plays. Mcowan looks stiff

Keeo Griffin and trade Griffin to someone in the afc (not afcn)

Utah_Saint 08-18-2014 11:16 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Yeah, If we're down to the third QB, we're hosed anyway, :)

hennr 08-19-2014 08:46 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
luke will play for someone if he is cut.in 2012 he outplayed Daniels in training camp but was cut,then within two days gets signed by Atlanta.He has not stuck around because he is a bum look what his older brother did with the Bears now with Tampa.If cut look how fast Tampa signs him or Atlanta.Griffin upside to me is by next year = to Luke past this only time will tell.However this year with Drews age catching up to him look how long hes been out in camp, Luke would be the best option,Griffin because of his up side it would be nuts to cut him.Lets say Drews out for 4 games an Griffin wins one or two games but with luke its two or three out of 4 the extra win could be=to first round bye.Now is that worth a extra Te or Wr who with the extra two practice squad positions up from 8 to 10 could be kept .Qb is the most important postion on the field an Drew is getting old an time stands still for no man.We are lucky to have depth i even think Kilgore looks to have enough upside in two years to say be = to Daniels an with practice squads expanded from 8 to 10 even if we keep luke an Griffin i would like saints to keep him on practice squad they could put him on and off every week with an Wr say Jones for example who has had a good camp same as they used to do with Tanner an Canfield.:bng::cool::stupid:

Euphoria 08-19-2014 08:56 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
The only way we keep Luke is if we are concerned about what he can tell the other teams about our O.

What he has done previous years or could do for us is irrelevant. Griffin gives us a better chance to win this year.

vpheughan 08-21-2014 10:31 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
This is the team that kept 2 place kickers and one punter but 3 QB's? Insanity!!!

hennr 08-21-2014 08:52 PM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Check out Luke Qb rating this pre season its very good, an Griffins qb rating not bad but not as good as Lukes.Depth at qb is hard to find given Drews age the odds increase from 35 an up qbs more likely to miss games.Drews window for another superbowl is the next few years so hope Saints not stupid an keep two on roster when they should thiank the stars they lucky to have quality depth at the most critical position.Please do not throw it away.

jeanpierre 08-22-2014 03:58 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 604114)
With the versatility the guys on defense have, it should increase our chances to keep both.

Actually, we have alot of good players on defense that will make it difficult to cut/release some of them...

At Safety, you have six good options Vaccaro, Bush, Byrd, Ball, Sunseri and Warren; even Zimmerman looked promising until injury...

At Cornerback, though injuries have clouded things but you have five options in Lewis, White, Bailey, Robinson, Jean-Baptiste, with Sweeting and Wade...

At Linebacker, you've got salary cap ramifications making cutting Lofton or injured Hawthorne prohibitive, then you've got Galette, Haralson; surging linebackers in Humber, Reddick and Knox; quality depth in Dawson; two promising draft picks in Fortt and Powell; that's ten (10) and not counting an injured (again) Victor Butler who could be expendable for salary cap reasons and inability to get to the field...

You have six (6) returning defenders from a surprise defensive line from last season with the possible transition of Rufus Johnson and opportunistic Brandon Deaderick...

With an emphasis to get special teams some help; can see easily carrying twenty-six (26) on defense...

hagan714 08-22-2014 08:12 AM

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If your going to gamble i think this is the position that will have the least impact. because if Drew goes down we are done for anyways. so let the future play and get the reps. there are always plenty of old timers on the QB trash heap to sign if need be.

jeanpierre 08-22-2014 08:35 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 605070)
If your going to gamble i think this is the position that will have the least impact. because if Drew goes down we are done for anyways. so let the future play and get the reps. there are always plenty of old timers on the QB trash heap to sign if need be.

You know, gotta disagree with you there; not trying to discount what Drew has meant to the team, community, but we've got a pretty good team now and Griffin is showing he has some goods to him...

hagan714 08-22-2014 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 605074)
You know, gotta disagree with you there; not trying to discount what Drew has meant to the team, community, but we've got a pretty good team now and Griffin is showing he has some goods to him...

If Drew goes down nfc south i out the window. playoffs? sorry i do not see it. Griffin has yet to see a professional defense go after him. that is why i say go with reps. and hope and pray for the best. he gains experience and if it happens again then i say you night be right. year one? nope do not see it.

does not matter Drew is superman

Danno 08-22-2014 09:11 AM

Re: Saints have to keep all three QBs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 605080)
If Drew goes down nfc south i out the window. playoffs? sorry i do not see it. Griffin has yet to see a professional defense go after him. that is why i say go with reps. and hope and pray for the best. he gains experience and if it happens again then i say you night be right. year one? nope do not see it.

does not matter Drew is superman

Disagree. Even without Drew we have as much or more talent than Carolina, Atlanta and Tampa. It draws us closer, but I think we still have the edge.

McCown (or Griffin) under Payton isn't a huge drop-off from Matty Melt, Cam Flopper and Gosh McCown.


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