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44Champs 08-24-2014 12:36 PM

The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
Ok I agree that his suplex throw of Luck was a penalty. But if the refs are REALLY interested in protecting the QB, they should have called "in the grasp" when Jordan had him wrapped up. That would have immediately stopped the play. I guess even the refs are still in preseason form

ScottF 08-24-2014 12:44 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 605500)
Ok I agree that his suplex throw of Luck was a penalty. But if the refs are REALLY interested in protecting the QB, they should have called "in the grasp" when Jordan had him wrapped up. That would have immediately stopped the play. I guess even the refs are still in preseason form

Like on Lewis's non-interception? And Galette was getting turned all nite- he was screaming for a holding call

|Mitch| 08-24-2014 01:02 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
I always thought they whistled the play dead when the ball carriers forward motion was stopped. :confused:

Audiotom 08-24-2014 01:23 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
If he didn't body slam him no flag

Cant do that to a qb

Ingram was slammed pretty good on a nice run

The Dude 08-24-2014 01:30 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
Refs are in preseason too but if they continue to be so not picky networks are going to be pissed when games are going into 4 hours.

foreverfan 08-24-2014 02:21 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
The refs suck and make me think that their mother has a bet on the game or something.

Utah_Saint 08-24-2014 03:02 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
Ya can't slam a QB like that. It'll get flagged every time.

And why couldn't Junior bring Luck down?

halloween 65 08-24-2014 03:05 PM

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Hicks was in beast mode last night. I think they slowed him down with those penalties. Loved his hustle. The O-line of other teams better beware, our D-line is the real thing.

dizzle88 08-24-2014 03:10 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 605520)
Ya can't slam a QB like that. It'll get flagged every time.

And why couldn't Junior bring Luck down?

It was cam Jordan that couldn't bring luck down, was kind of disappointed seeing that to be honest, luck made it seem like Jordan wasn't even there

Tobias-Reiper 08-24-2014 03:19 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 605520)
Ya can't slam a QB like that. It'll get flagged every time.

And why couldn't Junior bring Luck down?


Looking at the play, leverage (seemed to me Cam had little); plus Andrew Luck is a big boy: Hicks had him all wrapped up and could not bring him down either without going Ndomikong on Luck.

Tobias-Reiper 08-24-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 605524)
It was cam Jordan that couldn't bring luck down, was kind of disappointed seeing that to be honest, luck made it seem like Jordan wasn't even there

Then you need to be disappointed at Hicks as well, since he could not bring him down either without the illegal suplex. Again, Andrew Luck is a big boy.

dizzle88 08-24-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 605527)
Then you need to be disappointed at Hicks as well, since he could not bring him down either without the illegal suplex. Again, Andrew Luck is a big boy.

I think hicks could have got him down, he just went massively over the top to do so
While it was unnecessary and needs to be cleaned up, being aggressive is his style of play, he just needs to be smarter doing so

nola_swammi 08-24-2014 06:47 PM

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I believe the refs are targeting the saints; that offensive interference call on M Colston was a B.S call

jeanpierre 08-24-2014 06:50 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 605508)
If he didn't body slam him no flag

Cant do that to a qb

Ingram was slammed pretty good on a nice run

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 605520)
Ya can't slam a QB like that. It'll get flagged every time.

And why couldn't Junior bring Luck down?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 605529)
I think hicks could have got him down, he just went massively over the top to do so
While it was unnecessary and needs to be cleaned up, being aggressive is his style of play, he just needs to be smarter doing so

Luck is a strong dude, but no way a DL should lose a take down to a QB...

Hicks has got to right-the-ship, we're counting on big things from him and decisions regarding his contract/next draft have to be made...

Thought it was Junior as well, guess I'm starting to look at Junior with the stink eye with the missed zone assignments in pursuit of the sack stats...

|Mitch| 08-24-2014 09:34 PM

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Utah_Saint 08-24-2014 10:00 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 605524)
It was cam Jordan that couldn't bring luck down, was kind of disappointed seeing that to be honest, luck made it seem like Jordan wasn't even there

Good catch.

My thought was Cam was afraid of getting called for something since he was down at Luck's knees.

Hicks, on the other hand, looked like he wanted to be called for something.

Utah_Saint 08-24-2014 10:01 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 605526)
.. going Ndomikong on Luck.

Going Ndomikong. I like it!! That should be trademarked.

hagan714 08-25-2014 08:39 AM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
in the old days that was just a tackle.

pansy ball. put a tutu and and a red tank top on the QB already.

andrew luck breaks tackles and is a beast in his own right. these umps need to to realize this. and stop calling this as if he was a little school girl back there

nfl is going to hell in a hand basket

brees84 08-25-2014 08:46 AM

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I have no problem with Hicks. He is a man among boys. lol

I have problem with Jordan and Galette missed tackles/sacks. Be mean and don't get cute with an opponent! Even in first two games there were some soft/weak attempts and missed opportunities.

Halo 08-25-2014 08:49 AM

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All things being equal, Brees was sliding and defender slammed down on him. Thought you couldn't hit a defenseless QB when he was sliding??

Euphoria 08-25-2014 10:53 AM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
You are right Halo but a slide is defined by QB leading with his feet. If I recall he lead more with the body like diving forward trying to get the extra yardage. He was still moving when he got hit. If he had stopped moving and basically what they call 'giving up' on the play then it would have been hitting a defensiveness player.

Got my attention though on that play as well.

Tobias-Reiper 08-25-2014 11:48 AM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 605636)
in the old days that was just a tackle.

pansy ball. put a tutu and and a red tank top on the QB already.

andrew luck breaks tackles and is a beast in his own right. these umps need to to realize this. and stop calling this as if he was a little school girl back there

nfl is going to hell in a hand basket


No, I am not getting off your lawn.

SaintsBro 08-25-2014 11:52 AM

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On that play, Drew DID lead with his feet, it was a "textbook" perfect example of a slide and giving up on the play, and the defender pounded him anyway. No flag.

In the Dome, it would have been a penalty. No doubt in my mind.

Vrillon82 08-25-2014 12:10 PM

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Officiating crews are so inconsistent from 1 to the next that teams spend more time in film study planning around certain officials and crews.

Its so bad to a point it can completely throw everything off, which it has in the past many years, hence why Seattle won a SB aside from paying Peyton Manning off.

Cruize 08-25-2014 12:51 PM

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The defender didn't "pound" Drew. It was a bang-bang play and the defender clearly let up while still making contact. It wasn't a penalty.

Tobias-Reiper 08-25-2014 01:48 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 605671)
On that play, Drew DID lead with his feet, it was a "textbook" perfect example of a slide and giving up on the play, and the defender pounded him anyway. No flag.

In the Dome, it would have been a penalty. No doubt in my mind.

What? And the Saints didn't retaliate? I surely hope Tom Benson will remind Sean Payton and the Saints via a radio interview just how much that play bothered him and call the team soft in April of 2015.

|Mitch| 08-25-2014 04:49 PM

Re: The Roughing the QB penalty on Hicks
 
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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 605681)
The defender didn't "pound" Drew. It was a bang-bang play and the defender clearly let up while still making contact. It wasn't a penalty.

What's the difference between that play and what Vaccaro did last year to Matt Ryan?

Why did Vaccaro get flagged?



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