RB by committee or RB by play?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-25-2014, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by the-commish

It is a well-known fact that the Saints, and quite a few other NFL teams, utilize the RB by committee approach rather than the workhorse RB approach (the Vikes Adrian Peterson for example).

I did notice one glaring thing against the Colts. Payton or Carmichael, whichever one is actually calling the offensive plays, changed RBs on just about EVERY SNAP. No RB has a chance to get in a rhythm. As a result I think our overall run game suffers. I wish we would change RBs by series, rather than by play.

While I agree it breaks the rhythm for any single RB, it's the rhythm of the offense since 2006.

The Saints offense deliberately confuses defenses by sending in sub packages for virtually every play. It forces the defense to attempt to matchup to the subpackage every snap.

SFIAH

Jack Vegas · 08-25-2014, 03:02 PM

This is not a new thing, been doing it for years. Player groupings are a major concept of the offense. Shuffling different groups on and off the field keeps the defense off-balance. I would agree that it does probably mess with the running backs' rhythm the most of anything, but I think the benefits are far more than the drawbacks.

I imagine it must be really difficult for, say a cornerback, having to line up against Colston one play and then somebody like Stills the next. You can't get a good read on their tendencies because they're constantly sending a different guy at you.

Audiotom · 08-25-2014, 04:49 PM

until Ingram learns how to catch and run a screen play he makes the offense predictable

Pierre and Khiry on the screen plays
and whatever we come up with for Cooks

Danno · 08-25-2014, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

until Ingram learns how to catch and run a screen play he makes the offense predictable

Pierre and Khiry on the screen plays
and whatever we come up with for Cooks

He already knows how to run a screen, at least as well as Khiry Robinson does.

Comparing any NFL player's screen talents to Pierre Thomas is useless. He's the best in the entire NFL.

ikecomp · 08-26-2014, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

until Ingram learns how to catch and run a screen play he makes the offense predictable

Pierre and Khiry on the screen plays
and whatever we come up with for Cooks

While I'm the first to admit I've never been an ingram fan, I do believe he has decent hands. He actually caught a lot of passes at bama when he was given a chance. If he's going to be in the game he needs to be somewhat of a threat to catch. At the very least, he's as capable as anyone at catching a pass out in the flat or catching a short screen pass.

foreverfan · 08-25-2014, 06:44 PM

Wait... You want us to tell Payton how to run the offense?

Danno · 08-25-2014, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Wait... You want us to tell Payton how to run the offense?

What?

saintfan · 08-25-2014, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

What?

HUH?

Jack Vegas · 08-25-2014, 11:10 PM

If we get 117 rushing yards a game this year, we'll be in really nice shape.

MatthewT · 08-26-2014, 06:42 AM

I am a big believer in a primary back, and then roll backs. Part of the issue with the Saints is they currently do not have a proven primary back. Lets be honest, Deuce has never been replaced, he could do it all, with Reggie Bush being that change of pace and home run guy. Ingram was drafted with the intention of being that primary back, but for whatever reason that hasn't panned out, so thus we see the committee.

08-25-2014, 02:39 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? Originally Posted by the-commish It is a well-known fact that the Saints, and quite a few other NFL teams, utilize the RB by committee approach rather than the workhorse RB approach (the Vikes Adrian Peterson for example). I did notice one glaring thing against the Colts. Payton or Carmichael, whichever one is actually calling the offensive plays, changed RBs on just about EVERY SNAP. No RB has a chance to get in a rhythm. As a result I think our overall run game suffers. I wish we would change RBs by series, rather than by play. While I agree it breaks the rhythm for any single RB, it's the rhythm of the offense since 2006. The Saints offense deliberately confuses defenses by sending in sub packages for virtually every play. It forces the defense to attempt to matchup to the subpackage every snap. SFIAH TheOak likes this.

08-25-2014, 03:02 PM	#2
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? This is not a new thing, been doing it for years. Player groupings are a major concept of the offense. Shuffling different groups on and off the field keeps the defense off-balance. I would agree that it does probably mess with the running backs' rhythm the most of anything, but I think the benefits are far more than the drawbacks. I imagine it must be really difficult for, say a cornerback, having to line up against Colston one play and then somebody like Stills the next. You can't get a good read on their tendencies because they're constantly sending a different guy at you. Barry from MS likes this.
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08-25-2014, 04:49 PM	#3
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? until Ingram learns how to catch and run a screen play he makes the offense predictable Pierre and Khiry on the screen plays and whatever we come up with for Cooks

08-25-2014, 05:35 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? Originally Posted by Audiotom until Ingram learns how to catch and run a screen play he makes the offense predictable Pierre and Khiry on the screen plays and whatever we come up with for Cooks He already knows how to run a screen, at least as well as Khiry Robinson does. Comparing any NFL player's screen talents to Pierre Thomas is useless. He's the best in the entire NFL. saintfan, SaintFanInATLHELL, Barry from MS and 3 others like this.

08-26-2014, 10:03 AM	#5
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? Originally Posted by Audiotom until Ingram learns how to catch and run a screen play he makes the offense predictable Pierre and Khiry on the screen plays and whatever we come up with for Cooks While I'm the first to admit I've never been an ingram fan, I do believe he has decent hands. He actually caught a lot of passes at bama when he was given a chance. If he's going to be in the game he needs to be somewhat of a threat to catch. At the very least, he's as capable as anyone at catching a pass out in the flat or catching a short screen pass.
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08-25-2014, 06:44 PM	#6
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? Wait... You want us to tell Payton how to run the offense? CoreyO likes this.

08-25-2014, 06:48 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? Originally Posted by foreverfan Wait... You want us to tell Payton how to run the offense? What?

08-25-2014, 07:14 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? Originally Posted by Danno What? HUH?

08-25-2014, 11:10 PM	#9
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08-26-2014, 06:42 AM	#10
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: RB by committee or RB by play? I am a big believer in a primary back, and then roll backs. Part of the issue with the Saints is they currently do not have a proven primary back. Lets be honest, Deuce has never been replaced, he could do it all, with Reggie Bush being that change of pace and home run guy. Ingram was drafted with the intention of being that primary back, but for whatever reason that hasn't panned out, so thus we see the committee.

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