Do we bring Champ back??
 

With how our DBs looked we need all the help we can get.

PRob is absolutely awful and should have been cut instead of Champ. Question is do we bring Champ back now or hope PRob find his heart.

I would rather see SJB play over PRob.

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Probably get the same crap from SJB

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Keenan looked bad too. I don't think today was a personnel issue. We were not prepared for some reason. I really do think we needed a wake up call on defense after the way they skated through the preseason.

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Probably need to stick Brian Dixon in there. Lord knows he couldn't be any worse.

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I truly dont get having your safeties 40 yds off the LOS, and our CBs were 10 yds off.. we played no press all day and got crushed.

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We definitely need to bring someone in. I think the only reason we cut Champ in the first place is because he got hurt again in the last preseason game. Remember both he and Robinson were playing, so that lets you know the coaches were still up in arms over who to keep. I've never like Robinson and I never will like him. He doesn't play up to his abilities. Cut bait w/Robinson, start White if you don't resign Champ and start prepping SJB.

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Wonder how fit Greer is

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All of our DBS looked lost. Champ would not help us one bit.

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Lewis looked okay... not great, but okay.

Byrd looked good, he was the only one making plays today.

Vaccaro looked awful.

PRob looked like he was watching the game from home.

White looked okay, nothing special.

2 things that our DBs can't be blamed for; no pass rush at all and Ryan's scheme seemed to be playing everyone 40 yds off the LOS.

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You don't think a hall of famer could have at least been smarter, if nothing else? There is no question in my mind he's better than P-Rob and White.

Sure he gets hurt a lot, but so does Robinson. Which reminds me... he's hurt AGAIN. So what was it about Robinson that made him more deserving? Not a thing. (insert obligatory "the coaches know better than you" comments).

Of course they do. That's why we keep a terrible corner and watch him get torched every year. Because clearly what I'm seeing is just my imagination as a stupid fan.

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100% true. Baffling but true.
Patchwork O-line and we got zero pressure

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Don't let Champ get to far out of sight.

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I would be giving Greer a call right now and see if he can get a prosthetic or something and suit up.

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I am more baffled about the coverage design. Re-watching the game we had everyone playing 10yds off 90% of the game. Last season we play press-man coverage, puzzled on the change.

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The staff didn't feel like Bailey would start over Robinson so they let Bailey go. I personally can't see how anyone could play worse than Robinson. White actually is better. He will make an occasional good play. SJB surely wouldn't be any worse. Heck, Dixon would give more effort without a doubt. I would go as far as saying Sunseri would look better at CB than Robinson. And when I say these things, I've watched every game PRob has played in the NFL. He has the physical skills but it simply doesn't translate into a good football player.

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And this is what Mike Mayock talked about when we drafted P. Rob. Body like Tarzan but plays like Jane. He was the reason we lost the season opener against Green Bay in 2011. Aaron Rogers picked on him the entire opening drive and P.Rob kept playing 10 yrds off the line of scrimmage. Its time to realize that he will never be anything more than an athletic tease. Remember he got abused by The Ravens backup QB in the preseason finale. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and expecting the outcome to be different.

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a new week starts monday morning with Rob Ryan and the defense sitting through the tapes eating crow wrapped in the off season press clips they all collected

week 2 the defense needs to be hungry and out to prove this week was a fluke. same attitude they had last year.

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The way people are singling out Robinson, you'd think every guy on the defense was wearing a #21 jersey out there.

Keenan Lewis got his ass lit up too. Galette just signed a bajillion dollar contract and barely got any pressure on the QB. D-line in general got no pressure. Byrd was lined up so far back he looked like he was getting ready to return a punt, and Vacarro looked nothing like the same guy from last year. And hell, the Falcons just have a really good offense when everybody is healthy.

But it's all Patrick Robinson's fault. LOL. Sure.

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So we now wanna bring back a guy who couldn't beat out Robinson, White or even an UDFA nobody named Brian Dixon?

So, is our 2nd round draft pick hurt?

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SJB would be a welcome change as well. I think cutting Champ was a money move. Champ looked good in the limited playing time he had, while PRob did not, but I only saw the preseason games.

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^ It actually would've been cheaper to cut Patrick Robinson and keep Champ Bailey. So no, not a money move.

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I think SJB deserves a shot.

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He didn't get beat out by any of those guys. It's pretty obvious they released champ because he didn't play much in the preseason. But that's a lame excuse to cut the guy when robinson can't stay healthy either. Give me an option between two injury prone guys and I'll take the one who doesn't suck when he is healthy. Does that make more sense to you? The point everyone is making is that champ SHOULDN'T have been released in the first place, but you're assuming these guys are actually better than him. That's like a bad joke. A really bad joke.

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Comments like these riddle message boards all over the world. It's been said 100 million times that the defense sucked. But somebody mentions a specific player and it starts a conversation about said player, and somebody comes at the end of it and says "it's more than one player guys!". Yes... We know. And yet Patrick Robinson remains the worst defender on the field. Fair enough?

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I am not sure that's true. Did you know Keenan Lewis got beat more often than Robinson yesterday? Do you realize that between Hicks and Jordan, neither got one single pressure on the QB? Vacarro missed like 6 or 7 tackles. So no, I don't think Robinson is the worst defender on the field.

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Can someone please point to something that Bailey actually did with the Saints, that was BETTER than what we have now? Name a play, any play, what did he accomplish or achieve during his time here....I'll hang up and listen now.

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I would rather have Greer than Bailey

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This I could go with, although Greer even last year wasn't nearly as good as many people believed. But he had his sacred cow status. The truth is, the #2 corner position was better last year with Corey White in there instead of Greer.

I would love to see Greer back and in a supporting role though. Especially since Robinson cannot seem to stay healthy. We may eventually realize the reason they cut Bailey is because they kept Greer on speed dial.

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I'd rather go with Dixon or SJB, the guys Champ Bailey couldn't beat out.

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We can argue all day about bailey being old and not being able to beat out prob and white. What you can't argue is that those guys look like deers in headlights when a ball is thrown in their direction (excluding dixon as I haven't seen him play much).

They don't try to grab the receivers arms and rake through like most db's are taught. They don't try to swat the ball away. They don't try to intercept the pass. Sometimes they don't even try to locate the ball. Their only goal appears to be "just let him catch it and make the tackle". Even at bailey's advanced age he knows what to do when the ball is in the air. Whether his body is capable of reacting is another thing but I'd rather watch an old savy guy try to make plays then a guy that doesn't know how to.

As matter of fact, watch the replay of that game and look at Atlanta's DB's. I know they got burnt a lot and left our guys open as well but when they were in the position to make plays on the ball they did. They didn't just look at the guy catch it and try to make the safe tackle

Didn't mean to rant but oh well...on to the next one I guess.

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No. We don't bring him back. Him or Greer. Just my two cents.

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Exactly. Patrick Robinson didn't beat Champ out for the spot, he simply was more healthy. The release of Champ didn't make sense when it was done then and it makes less sense now. I love My Saints but I'm done with Patrick Robinson.

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That's surprising. The guy that was out for almost the entire season won the position because he was the healthier one? Where did you hear that?

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We all saw it. In the final preseason game teams never play their starters for any length of time, yet both Champ Bailey and Patrick Robinson were both playing in this game extensively because the coaches still weren't sure. If you remember Patrick got burned repeatedly by The Ravens backup QB and WR, while Champ was tested deep twice but broke up both passes. He then left the field after re-aggravating his apparent foot injury. Thats when the decision was made to cut Champ, for fear of injury. SJB was drafted to learn this year and take over as #2 Corner next season. Thats why we haven't heard a mention about contract talks with P.Robinson and why Champ was signed to a 2 yr deal, with both years contingent on him making the team each season.

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Yeah I do remember P Robinson looked pretty bad in that game. But I've got to believe that the coaching staff either thought Robinson's overall body of work this offseason was better than Champs. Or you might be right, they may have decided it was better to keep Dixon over Champ, if they felt there was a good chance Champ would spend most of the season injured.

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Also, its probably 50/50 they bring him back for depth. Now that his salary won't be guaranteed it would be pretty cheap to add him to the squad.

I don't think he replaces anyone at CB, but his leadership and CB depth is probably needed.

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Most DB's are going to struggle against that Atlanta group, especially when they play like that.

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I didn't get to see the game, but from what I've read here, I don't think we necessarily need to change personnel so much as game plan.

Outside of Richard Sherman and a few others, I don't see anyone covering Julio and Roddy, straight up when they get clean off the line. Why were we not jamming them at the line and pressing them the entire way through their routes?

Why are we not learning anything from Seattle and playing soft as heck? I understand that our coaches are brilliant and want to outsmart everyone with schemes. I like to do the same thing when I box. But sometimes you just need to lace up the gloves nice and tight, wade in, and punch someone in the mouth.

I don't get it. Can someone help me out?