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atltillidie 09-07-2014 11:17 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 608877)
And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual.

You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2...

You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense.

The only person who runs a 4.2 on the Falcons is Antone Smith. Hester's 40 doesn't tell you but like you said, we all know he is pretty fast as well.

|Mitch| 09-07-2014 11:18 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by atltillidie (Post 608943)
The only person who runs a 4.2 on the Falcons is Antone Smith. Hester's 40 doesn't tell you but like you said, we all know he is pretty fast as well.

Lemme rephrase; faster/quicker than most corners/safeties... That's why you play with a cushion

billyt81 09-08-2014 12:03 AM

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I think the DBs are more to blame than the DLine. A lot of times we rushed 4 and pressure was coming but Ryan delivered quickly. If we rush 4, guys shouldn't be wide open immediately.

saintsfan403 09-08-2014 12:05 AM

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This is probably the worst freakout I have ever seen on B&G.

saintsfan403 09-08-2014 12:07 AM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 608952)
I think the DBs are more to blame than the DLine. A lot of times we rushed 4 and pressure was coming but Ryan delivered quickly. If we rush 4, guys shouldn't be wide open immediately.

We were giving the Falcon's recs a huge cushion. Maybe RR expected our pass rush to throttle their o-line?

Crusader 09-08-2014 01:31 AM

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I was expecting more from our D-line. Especially going against backup tackles in the second half. I was quite surprised to see the big cushions from our DBs. If you play like that and don't generate any passrush just about any Qb will pick you apart.

Cooks seems to be everything we have hoped. Good hands and great speed. My favorite play of his was on one of the Ingram runs when he placed a really nice cut-block to spring the runner.

Ingram looked really solid. He is getting to be the back I was hoping for when we drafted him. PT also looked really good.

The whole O in general looked sharp. A little to much pressure on Brees at times but the O-line looked good.

And about calling the Falcons a west coast offence; they are not. As a previous poster stated, they are a vertical offence and the great thing about a vertical offense is that a lot of times sending guys deep opens up the underneath routes. Dink and dunk and west coast is not the same thing.

burningmetal 09-08-2014 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 608810)
We took them to over time in THEIR house. We screwed up by turning the ball over. No matter what some here might think the Falcons are a good team. A year before last they went 13-3 and were a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl. They have 4 pro bowl receivers so its no wonder our DBs looked bad. They are going to make a lot of defenses look bad. Our offense is looking awesome. Cooks looks as advertised and has all the potential to be ROY. We will destroy these guys in the Super Dome. We basically spotted them two scores and still took them to over time.

I think overtime rules blow. It should be like the playoffs so the first field goal can't win it unless the other team gets a chance and blows it.
Yea, I'm pissed, DOUBLE pissed because I had to watch this crap on DVR and couldn't go through it with my fellow Who Dates.
We have a playoff team and we will get at least one more shot at them.

Uh... The OT rules ARE like the playoffs now. We did get a chance and we DID blow it.

burningmetal 09-08-2014 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 608877)
And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual.

You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2...

You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense.

And we bent but didn't br.. oh wait... We broke nearly every single time.

We have played these guys before when they were healthy and our defense was bad, and yet we still played much better in those games than we did in this game. You don't play that far back. It doesn't matter how fast someone is. We have speed too. If you play that far back, they will bleed you to death, which is exactly what happened. There were a couple of big plays downfield, but it was mostly intermediate crap and there were no defenders in sight.

SaintLeonard 09-08-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan403 (Post 608953)
This is probably the worst freakout I have ever seen on B&G.

Nah.. Last year against the Seahawks (in the regular season) was worse

blackangold 09-08-2014 09:06 AM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 608974)
And we bent but didn't br.. oh wait... We broke nearly every single time.

We have played these guys before when they were healthy and our defense was bad, and yet we still played much better in those games than we did in this game. You don't play that far back. It doesn't matter how fast someone is. We have speed too. If you play that far back, they will bleed you to death, which is exactly what happened. There were a couple of big plays downfield, but it was mostly intermediate crap and there were no defenders in sight.

exactly... and to make matters worse when the defenders tried to come up and make a tackle they missed which lead to even more big plays.

The more I re-watch the game and think about it, the more I have to say the scheme was ****ed up. ATL is known for a dink-and-dunk offense and we let them play their game all day.

In my mind this loss is squarely on the shoulders of Rob Ryan. Just my opinion.

Audiotom 09-08-2014 09:07 AM

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terrible clock management

colston then ingram don't go out of bounds with 3 time outs
inside the 15 with 1:30 remaining

should have ran it out in regulation

similar issue at the end of the first half which gave Atlanta the opportunity for a field goal

no chicken little here
but where was Cam crickets, Hakeem crickets, Junior crickets
why more cushion than a Serta Sleeper wherehouse?

SaintsBro 09-08-2014 09:08 AM

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Seahawks 36
Packers 16

Panthers 20
Bucs 14

49ers 28
Cowboys 17

Broncos 31
Colts 24

Eagles 34
Jaguars 17

Saints 34 (blowing a 20-7 lead)
Falcons 37

The Saints defense allowed 568 total yards, worse than any single game from the 2012 season where they were statistically the worst defense in history.

Clearly one of these teams is currently Not Ready For Prime Time....

The Dude 09-08-2014 09:20 AM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 608973)
Uh... The OT rules ARE like the playoffs now. We did get a chance and we DID blow it.

I wish we had a chance to answer. If we couldn't score after than then game over. NFL overtime rules blow.

Audiotom 09-08-2014 10:21 AM

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no

these rules are better than the old get down to the 30 kick a field goal and win

we were driving, had our chance with the ball
turnover and clutch kick cost us the game

Euphoria 09-08-2014 10:26 AM

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Well if we had better clock management that turnover and FG kick would be moot.

I think we'd learn from it and move on but its going to hurt and cost all season.

Mardigras9 09-08-2014 10:31 AM

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Splitting with Atlanta is a wash for the division. They won't play at that level for every game, and we will just play better. They played their ass off against us and just barely won on an unfortunate late mistake.

Papa Voodoo 09-08-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 609029)
Seahawks 36
Packers 16

Panthers 20
Bucs 14

49ers 28
Cowboys 17

Broncos 31
Colts 24

Eagles 34
Jaguars 17

Saints 34 (blowing a 20-7 lead)
Falcons 37

The Saints defense allowed 568 total yards, worse than any single game from the 2012 season where they were statistically the worst defense in history.

Clearly one of these teams is currently Not Ready For Prime Time....

You have to be talking about the Cowboys.

darksoul35 09-08-2014 10:48 AM

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This is going to come back to bite us when we have to go to Seattle and lose in the NFC championship game. We have to have home field in the playoffs.

Euphoria 09-08-2014 10:52 AM

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If we allow a game to go into OT then we deserve to lose.

Better clock management run the clock out have give them little time to go down the field on us we win.

Papa Voodoo 09-08-2014 01:43 PM

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I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no NFL team will go 6-0 in their respective division this year, and that no NFL team will go undefeated this year.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-08-2014 02:27 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by gulfgambler (Post 608884)
Sure glad we didn't allow the big play. we might have been able to hold them to 24-27 points................
This loss is on our DC

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 608885)
It was working in the first half; not sure what happened after that...

Two words: missed tackles.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-08-2014 02:38 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 609062)
This is going to come back to bite us when we have to go to Seattle and lose in the NFC championship game. We have to have home field in the playoffs.

So we're already presuming that Seattle is going to go 15-1?

Smart money says don't bother to look at playoff seeding until every team has played at least 8 games.

And honestly, if Seattle cannot be beat on their home field, then why think anyone else should be the NFC representative?

This season isn't about Seattle. This season is about the Saints finding a way to be the best team they can be.

Fortunately it's a long season. There are at least 15 more games for the team to get better.

Honestly defense or no defense, if the Saints can score 34 PPG on the road, I'd take my chances with them...

SFIAH

SaintsBro 09-08-2014 03:45 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
The Saints are 3-5 in their last 8 games, and 7-6 in their last 13 (since the bye week of last season, .538 win percentage).

When are we allowed to admit that there is possibly a problem, beyond just this one game yesterday?

SaintFanQ 09-08-2014 03:52 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
Also we put up 472 yards of offence on their defence, so there defence wasn't that spectacular! We will be fine, keep the faith :-).

You think you feel bad as a Saints fan after that loss, or course you do but, imagine how the Pats fans and Tampa fans feel right now. The Bucs got beat by a back up QB!!!!!!!!!!!!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

Danno 09-08-2014 04:00 PM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 609187)
The Saints are 3-5 in their last 8 games, and 7-6 in their last 13 (since the bye week of last season, .538 win percentage).

When are we allowed to admit that there is possibly a problem, beyond just this one game yesterday?


We're 6-5 in our last 11 games with 2 losses to SEA, 1 to CAR, 1 to STL and 1 to Atlanta.

3 of those losses to playoff teams on the road, all 5 losses also on the road.

Combined record of the teams we lost to on the road 57-21

We're 8-0 in our last 8 home games.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-09-2014 10:17 AM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 609187)
The Saints are 3-5 in their last 8 games, and 7-6 in their last 13 (since the bye week of last season, .538 win percentage).

When are we allowed to admit that there is possibly a problem, beyond just this one game yesterday?

What I saw was part of the problem somewhat resolve itself (offense), and a new problem arise (defense).

Last year, the offense was the primary problem down the stretch against good defenses. 7 and 15 to Seattle, 13 to the panthers, 16 to the Rams. All 4 of these games were on the road. Tough to win when scoring less that 21 points.

The defense just got shellacked this weekend. It's unreasonable to think you can give up 37 points and expect to win. In those last 13 games, the team never gave up that many points.

Until we have more data, it's best to call it an aberration.

SFIAH

Mardigras9 09-09-2014 10:38 AM

Re: Its not THAT bad
 
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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 609062)
This is going to come back to bite us when we have to go to Seattle and lose in the NFC championship game. We have to have home field in the playoffs.

The AFC west has three teams tied for the division lead after one week. Seattle is tough at home, no doubt, but they are not a given for their division, especially if SF can keep remembering how to score points.


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