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hagan714 09-10-2014 02:30 AM

Film study: Reviewing Saints defense By Mike Triplett
 
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My two biggest takeaways after reviewing the tape of the New Orleans Saints' defense: The tackling was just as bad as advertised, but the cornerback play wasn't as glaring a concern as one might expect.

The Saints allowed a franchise-record 445 passing yards in a 37-34 overtime loss to the Atlanta Falcons Sunday. But they rarely got burned over the top by big-play threats Julio Jones and Roddy White. The only two times the Saints got beat deep were a 35-yard pass to Devin Hester and a 27-yarder to Jones, both against cornerback Patrick Robinson.

The bad news was that the Saints were repeatedly burned by the underneath stuff, and they didn't get enough pressure on quarterback Matt Ryan. Most of the Falcons' yardage came via those missed tackles, too many big cushions in zone coverage, pick plays and screen plays.

Here are some more observations:

Missed tackles: Yikes. Pro Football Focus credited the Saints with 16 missed tackles -- and many of them were costly.

Film study: Reviewing New Orleans Saints defense - ESPN

Danno 09-10-2014 07:16 AM

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Tripp is right

dizzle88 09-10-2014 07:24 AM

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Patrick Robinson guesses too much in man coverage, when he guessed wrong he gets completely turned around and about 3 steps away from the receiver leaving him wide open

I really want the guy to do well, but if his technique in coverage doesn't improve this season I think he is gone

TheOak 09-10-2014 07:50 AM

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How could one possible get burned over the top playing 6 miles off the receiver?

Danno 09-10-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 609572)
How could one possible get burned over the top playing 6 miles off the receiver?

Because you let the WR get to full speed as you start to turn and run. You've lost the race two steps into it.

You only play that far off in zone, then you expect safety help after the WR leaves your zone.

Reminder: We suck at zone.

NonieT 09-10-2014 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 609574)
Reminder: We suck at zone.

And why Rob Ryan thought it would work when it didn't work for Spags is beyond me.

Utah_Saint 09-10-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 609576)
And why Rob Ryan thought it would work when it didn't work for Spags is beyond me.

Probably because playing Julio Jones, Roddy White, Harry Douglas and Devin Hester man to man was asking too much so they played a lot of zone.

Luckily, there aren't many receiving corps in the NFL that are that deep.

TheOak 09-10-2014 09:04 AM

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And why Rob Ryan thought it would work when it didn't work for Spags is beyond me.

Well, that is when that whole insignificant tackling thingy comes into play.

195 yards after the catch.

NonieT 09-10-2014 09:08 AM

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Probably because playing Julio Jones, Roddy White, Harry Douglas and Devin Hester man to man was asking too much so they played a lot of zone.

Luckily, there aren't many receiving corps in the NFL that are that deep.

When we we play them again, what's gonna happen? NO MORE ZONE!!!

As someone already said: "We suck at zone."

Utah_Saint 09-10-2014 09:17 AM

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When we we play them again, what's gonna happen? NO MORE ZONE!!!

As someone already said: "We suck at zone."

Yeah, I hope they chalk that up to a failed experiment.

saintsfan1976 09-10-2014 09:37 AM

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Great article Tripplett.

TheOak 09-10-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 609574)
Because you let the WR get to full speed as you start to turn and run. You've lost the race two steps into it.



You only play that far off in zone, then you expect safety help after the WR leaves your zone.



Reminder: We suck at zone.


It was more tongue in cheek. When Atlanta has the ball on their 30 and Byrd is in our endzone like he is waiting for a kickoff..... Not gonna get burned is obvious.

Then again, maybe Tripplett was laughing when he wrote it.

Jack Vegas 09-10-2014 10:57 AM

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We played zone at times last year and it was successful. We have 2 new starters in the secondary now though. Players don't know each other as well. You have to have much better communication and teamwork to play zone.

TheOak 09-10-2014 11:01 AM

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Yeah, I hope they chalk that up to a failed experiment.


Don't get your hopes up. The Spagnuolo experiment wasn't cancelled, the zone run blocking scheme last season wasn't cancelled on the first sign of rain either. Our front office tends to stick with things they install in the offseason.

The blocking clicked last season near mid point and Spags defense never did. Some of us noticed Robinson playing 25 yards off the preseason.

Let's hope we aren't 0-6 before it clicks this season.

ikecomp 09-10-2014 12:54 PM

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Don't get your hopes up. The Spagnuolo experiment wasn't cancelled, the zone run blocking scheme last season wasn't cancelled on the first sign of rain either. Our front office tends to stick with things they install in the offseason.

The blocking clicked last season near mid point and Spags defense never did. Some of us noticed Robinson playing 25 yards off the preseason.

Let's hope we aren't 0-6 before it clicks this season.

Yeah, that boggled my mind on so many levels. It would be 3rd and 6 and guys were playing so far off that I couldn't see them on my screen even though we have been burned time and time again by underneath routes and pick plays.

Danno 09-10-2014 12:58 PM

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We played zone at times last year and it was successful. We have 2 new starters in the secondary now though. Players don't know each other as well. You have to have much better communication and teamwork to play zone.


Agreed Jack, and with Byrd and Robinson missing so much time in camp there had to be some rust to shake off and some gellin' to do with his team mates.

We're all just kinda shocked it was this much rust and so little gellin'

NonieT 09-10-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 609594)
We played zone at times last year and it was successful. We have 2 new starters in the secondary now though. Players don't know each other as well. You have to have much better communication and teamwork to play zone.

Yeah, but we never had WRs being covered by LBs. The LBs they had in coverage were bad. Why didn't they used Humber or Powell? And the zone was mixed in with man to man.

Utah_Saint 09-10-2014 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 609595)
Don't get your hopes up. The Spagnuolo experiment wasn't cancelled, the zone run blocking scheme last season wasn't cancelled on the first sign of rain either. Our front office tends to stick with things they install in the offseason.

The blocking clicked last season near mid point and Spags defense never did. Some of us noticed Robinson playing 25 yards off the preseason.

Let's hope we aren't 0-6 before it clicks this season.

I don't think what we saw on Sunday is going to be a regular part of the Saints defensive scheme. I think it was more of specific plan for the falcons and their deep roster of wide receivers. The plan didn't work.

I think the fact the Saints drafted a press corner and brought in Champ, another press corner indicates they plan on much more man coverage than what we saw on Sunday.

Jamessr 09-10-2014 01:29 PM

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Pass rush.
Where do we buy some?

Rugby Saint II 09-10-2014 01:47 PM

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The timing was off on defense last week. Hopefully we've had time to get the kinks worked out.

Beastmode 09-10-2014 02:07 PM

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It seemed like a decent enough game plan, stop the kill shots and hold them in the RZ on a high level understanding. It would have worked if their kicker didn't have a bronzed leg. Seriously, how many kickers can make 2 clutch bombs like that, it's just not very likely. Cleaning up the tacking alone would have been enough.

darstep 09-10-2014 03:20 PM

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1st half we gave up 10. Hit my number right on the head.
10 per half is good defense; 1 touchdown and 1 field goal.
2 touchdowns and 2 field goals for an entire game (to me), is good defense.
Down hill after that.
Last year things got tighter as the game went on, Sunday looks like the screws fell out late.
Maybe that's the kick in the butt they needed.

TheOak 09-10-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 609617)
I don't think what we saw on Sunday is going to be a regular part of the Saints defensive scheme. I think it was more of specific plan for the falcons and their deep roster of wide receivers. The plan didn't work.



I think the fact the Saints drafted a press corner and brought in Champ, another press corner indicates they plan on much more man coverage than what we saw on Sunday.


We did it against the Ravens in preseason. We swept the Falcons last year with out a special plan and they had Gonzo then, why do we all of a sudden have a special plan for the Falcons? Difference between week 1 last year vs this year with the falcons is that Gonzales played and we won.

We have never needed anything special to beat them.

Choupique 09-10-2014 04:51 PM

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all of this advice from people who could never qualify for one single play in the sport of professional football

your words mean nothing other than they prove some of you are disloyal fans.

when you've earned your own super bowl ring, i'll give a **** what most of you think about professional athletes. just sayin.

Utah_Saint 09-10-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 609640)
We did it against the Ravens in preseason. We swept the Falcons last year with out a special plan and they had Gonzo then, why do we all of a sudden have a special plan for the Falcons? Difference between week 1 last year vs this year with the falcons is that Gonzales played and we won.

We have never needed anything special to beat them.

Yeah, that's what I said. We didn't run that much zone in any game last year that I can remember. Don't know why we did this time but my guess is Ryan thought it was the best way to cover all 4 of their receivers. Obviously it didn't work so I doubt we see it as much again.

I hope next time we play we try playing up and stuffing receivers on the line and putting more pressure on poopy pants. If we can't get to him with four guys, try five.


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