Our "O" Line

saintfan · 12-19-2004, 06:05 PM

Is their anyone -- other than the ONE guy here that proclaimed it -- that thinks our O Line "excells" or even comes close?

C'mon fella's, lets hear you blame their performance today on Brooks. Maybe Deuce just sucks too eh?

[Edited on 19/12/2004 by saintfan]

UK_WhoDat · 12-19-2004, 06:31 PM

Our O-line is obviously poor.

I am sure no other non-rookie QB could have coped

UK_WhoDat · 12-19-2004, 06:33 PM

I wait with apprehension.

AB usually pads his stats in the 4th quarter. I wonder how he will doi it today. :rollinglaugh:

WhoDat · 12-19-2004, 07:17 PM

So, b/c I said that our O-line \"excelled\" at run blocking in week 2 that means that I believe it now, huh? Does AB back out of protection?

Is there anyone here - except the ONE guy who proclaimed it - still believe that this coaching staff is the right one?

SycoSurfer · 12-19-2004, 10:09 PM

How bad is Spencer Folau? I mean he was horrible when he was playing guard against a not so good DL... then we put him against one of the best pass rushers in the league... Wow he is horrible... Is Stinchcomb really that bad we cant give him a shot?

I know AB has no pocket presence, but Folau needs to at least touch his man... Why do we step up when the rush is getting pushed inside? Why dont we scramble more like we did on 4th and 12? Did anyone hear that the reason AB doesnt scramble is cause the defensive players are faster than him? Hmm... I think thats BS more like he is scared... just my opinion... all kinda interesting things...

mutineer10 · 12-20-2004, 06:47 AM

I missed the game again, of course, stuck watching the Packers/Jaguars game up here in Birmingham, but I saw that Wayne Gandy left the game in the first quarter with an injury. Does anyone know what happened to him? In addition, who replaced him and how did they look?

As for T.O. - I dunno how much his injury will help anyone they potentially will face in the playoffs. As Philly has already clinched their division & home field advantage, looks like Owens will have as much as four weeks to recover. I think he\'s only got an ankle sprain, so he\'ll probably be back in time for Philly\'s first playoff game.

And, regarding Aaron Brooks - yeah, looks like he shut my big mouth for me this week! But hey, that\'s just fine. If he can keep managing the game and stepping up to lead the team (as he did today), I\'ll be happy to eat all my harsh words.

GumboBC · 12-20-2004, 09:48 AM

Our O-line is the worst in the NFL, IMO.

I\'d take anyt O-line in the league and swap straight-up.

Now if some folks want to say Brooks make the O-line wosre than what it is ... well... you\'re entitled to your opinion... I think most resonable people would disagree with that, though.

What I\'m interested in is what blocking scheme Haslett and co can come up with to help the O-line out. I think we\'re gonna have to go primarily with 2 tightend/2back set.

I\'d really like to hear some opinions on our O-line and how we can fix it.

WhoDat · 12-20-2004, 10:41 AM

Our problem, IMO, starts with the tackles. Our line \"excelled\" in the run game and was up and down in pass blocking last year - which makes sense b/c most of our runs are straight up the middle behind (last year) that nasty group of Bentley, Fontenot, and Holland. I thought that Gandy was a bad choice at LT when we signed him. He played fairly well last year mainly b/c he got away with holding on pretty much every passing down.

Most of our heat seems to come from the corners, which shows why the Roaf and Turley moves hurt so much. The other problem is either Brooks or McCarthy, I\'m not sure which. Either McCarthy is so dumb as to continue to call 7-step drops when facing one of the best pass rushes in the league (last night) or week in and week out despite our poor pass blocking, OR AB simply drops back into harms way. AB seems to constantly be backing out of his protection and into harms way. This is how he \"makes the line worse.\" B/c tackles try to lead DEs in a looping arch around behind the QB, forming the pocket. When AB drops 8+ yards deep, he drops directly into that line and gets into trouble. AB needs to shorten his drop and McCarthy needs to call more quick throws. Who knows, maybe AB has those options and is too bad at reading defenses or simply to dumb to get it. Maybe McCarthy is just a dolt and stubborn and can\'t figure out to call plays with three or five step drops.

Our problems, IMO, considering the line are: (in no particular order)

1. Slow center/QB exchanges
2. Bad Tackle play
3. Bad blocking TEs
4. Slow and deep drop from AB
5. Bad play calling

Again, it makes me wonder if McCarthy doesn\'t believe that AB can identify, read, and make the quick throw - how can you keep calling 7 step drops against TB?? Maybe McCarthy is a total nimrod, but I have my doubts. Poor blocking schemes probably effects the protection too - Bentley may be having problems IDing the blitz or stunts, etc. and calling the right protection in his first year back at center.

saintfan · 12-20-2004, 11:19 AM

McCarthy must disagree, since the final TD was a designed one-step drop the O line was praying they didn\'t put it.

If you\'re watching the same game I watched yesterday and you can find ANY way to defend the performance of the O line -- by blaming McCarthy OR Brooks or the Grinch -- well then...

Gimme three more of those little dots.

. dot
. dot
. dot

Danno · 12-20-2004, 02:20 PM

If Folau is a better LT than Jonathan Stinchcomb then I\'m sad to say Stichcomb is way more of a bust than Sullivan. I was feeling embarrassed for Spencer. It reminded me of the Turley LT experiment. Hopefully Stinchcomb was just inactive and Folau was forced to play out of position, therby looking completely lost.

It was the worst O-line play I\'ve witnessed in years. Gator got me thinking. With such a pathetic O-line, Stecker may be a better fit for us right now due to his jitter-bug abilities, which are apparently necessary with this O-line to avoid being tackled 5 yards behind the line. In fact, I\'m tempted to say Michael Lewis may have more success with that imitation of an O-line.

I\'m afraid that O-lineman has now moved up the needs list substantially.

12-19-2004, 06:05 PM	#1
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12-19-2004, 06:31 PM	#2
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Our "O" Line Our O-line is obviously poor. I am sure no other non-rookie QB could have coped

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Our "O" Line I wait with apprehension. AB usually pads his stats in the 4th quarter. I wonder how he will doi it today. :rollinglaugh:

12-19-2004, 07:17 PM	#4
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Our "O" Line So, b/c I said that our O-line \"excelled\" at run blocking in week 2 that means that I believe it now, huh? Does AB back out of protection? Is there anyone here - except the ONE guy who proclaimed it - still believe that this coaching staff is the right one?
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12-20-2004, 06:47 AM	#6
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Our "O" Line I missed the game again, of course, stuck watching the Packers/Jaguars game up here in Birmingham, but I saw that Wayne Gandy left the game in the first quarter with an injury. Does anyone know what happened to him? In addition, who replaced him and how did they look? As for T.O. - I dunno how much his injury will help anyone they potentially will face in the playoffs. As Philly has already clinched their division & home field advantage, looks like Owens will have as much as four weeks to recover. I think he\'s only got an ankle sprain, so he\'ll probably be back in time for Philly\'s first playoff game. And, regarding Aaron Brooks - yeah, looks like he shut my big mouth for me this week! But hey, that\'s just fine. If he can keep managing the game and stepping up to lead the team (as he did today), I\'ll be happy to eat all my harsh words.

12-20-2004, 09:48 AM	#7
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Our "O" Line Our O-line is the worst in the NFL, IMO. I\'d take anyt O-line in the league and swap straight-up. Now if some folks want to say Brooks make the O-line wosre than what it is ... well... you\'re entitled to your opinion... I think most resonable people would disagree with that, though. What I\'m interested in is what blocking scheme Haslett and co can come up with to help the O-line out. I think we\'re gonna have to go primarily with 2 tightend/2back set. I\'d really like to hear some opinions on our O-line and how we can fix it.
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12-20-2004, 10:41 AM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Our "O" Line Our problem, IMO, starts with the tackles. Our line \"excelled\" in the run game and was up and down in pass blocking last year - which makes sense b/c most of our runs are straight up the middle behind (last year) that nasty group of Bentley, Fontenot, and Holland. I thought that Gandy was a bad choice at LT when we signed him. He played fairly well last year mainly b/c he got away with holding on pretty much every passing down. Most of our heat seems to come from the corners, which shows why the Roaf and Turley moves hurt so much. The other problem is either Brooks or McCarthy, I\'m not sure which. Either McCarthy is so dumb as to continue to call 7-step drops when facing one of the best pass rushes in the league (last night) or week in and week out despite our poor pass blocking, OR AB simply drops back into harms way. AB seems to constantly be backing out of his protection and into harms way. This is how he \"makes the line worse.\" B/c tackles try to lead DEs in a looping arch around behind the QB, forming the pocket. When AB drops 8+ yards deep, he drops directly into that line and gets into trouble. AB needs to shorten his drop and McCarthy needs to call more quick throws. Who knows, maybe AB has those options and is too bad at reading defenses or simply to dumb to get it. Maybe McCarthy is just a dolt and stubborn and can\'t figure out to call plays with three or five step drops. Our problems, IMO, considering the line are: (in no particular order) 1. Slow center/QB exchanges 2. Bad Tackle play 3. Bad blocking TEs 4. Slow and deep drop from AB 5. Bad play calling Again, it makes me wonder if McCarthy doesn\'t believe that AB can identify, read, and make the quick throw - how can you keep calling 7 step drops against TB?? Maybe McCarthy is a total nimrod, but I have my doubts. Poor blocking schemes probably effects the protection too - Bentley may be having problems IDing the blitz or stunts, etc. and calling the right protection in his first year back at center.
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12-20-2004, 11:19 AM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Our "O" Line McCarthy must disagree, since the final TD was a designed one-step drop the O line was praying they didn\'t put it. If you\'re watching the same game I watched yesterday and you can find ANY way to defend the performance of the O line -- by blaming McCarthy OR Brooks or the Grinch -- well then... Gimme three more of those little dots. . dot . dot . dot

12-20-2004, 02:20 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Our "O" Line If Folau is a better LT than Jonathan Stinchcomb then I\'m sad to say Stichcomb is way more of a bust than Sullivan. I was feeling embarrassed for Spencer. It reminded me of the Turley LT experiment. Hopefully Stinchcomb was just inactive and Folau was forced to play out of position, therby looking completely lost. It was the worst O-line play I\'ve witnessed in years. Gator got me thinking. With such a pathetic O-line, Stecker may be a better fit for us right now due to his jitter-bug abilities, which are apparently necessary with this O-line to avoid being tackled 5 yards behind the line. In fact, I\'m tempted to say Michael Lewis may have more success with that imitation of an O-line. I\'m afraid that O-lineman has now moved up the needs list substantially.