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Rob Ryan is known for his great first years with teams. First the Browns then Cowboys and now us. Rob Ryan is known for coming in to ****ty teams and turning them around the first year which is then followed by awful performances every year thereafter.

We should have seen this coming. Rob Ryan's first year was a fluke and at best we'll have the 20th ranked defense. Right now I would be happy with anything better than 32nd...

Trying not to start the fire Rob Ryan train. I am just bringing up his history.

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As a matter of fact...
This is from the poll someone posted a few weeks back.

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Not getting this at all.

In Cleveland his 1st year they ranked 31st. In his 2nd season they ranked 22nd. That's a 9 game improvement

In Dallas they only dropped 5 spots in his 2nd season after being devastated by injuries to his key defensive personnel.

In Oakland they went from 30th to 27th in his 2nd season. And went to 3rd in his 3rd season


Not buying that theory at all.

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Atlanta has a worse ranked defense (yards allowed), I know that for a fact.

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Calm down ya'll...............we got this! :razz:

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It will turn around.

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Did I miss something... Is the season over yet?

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For some here, yes. Payton not performing up to their expectations so it's freak out mode... 14 games left. 1 division game played. First home game this week.

I'd be more concerned about 0-2 if we didn't have the ability.

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Expectations have become unreasonable.

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I doubt Ryan is the issue. Let us think for a moment, lots of high draft picks devoted to defense, a ton of free agent money spent, and some excellent coaches. Gary Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Steve Spagnuolo, and now Rob Ryan. Since 2006 that is 4 defensive coordinators, overall success very minimal, despite all the work, money, and draft picks devoted to the defense.

It is very puzzling. We know Sean Payton can coach, we know Mickey Loomis can build a team, so what gives? With all the talent the Saints have acquired since 2006, why only 1 Super Bowl and besides the Super Bowl season only one other trip to the NFC Championship game? We all know the answer is the defense has basically not held up, the question is why???

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2013, 11-5
2012, 7-9 (No Payton, Spags at DC)
2011, 13-3
2010, 11-5
2009, 13-3
2008, 8-8
2007, 7-9
2006, 10-6

I think we can say the Saints have been very successful over the years. Its been a decade since the Patriots won a Superbowl and they are easily the most dominant team of the last 15 years.

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Too much money wrapped up in a offensive line a QB doesn't help matters. As great as its been at times (see 2011) if you are spending big money in the line and QB cuts are needed elsewhere. Some of the contracts to Harper/Smith etc didn't help.

Not trying to start the old Brees hold out/Harper can't cover conversations but it is what it is. We have not had a great LB since Vilma was at his best in 2009. I like Galette but he is a one trick pony and if that trick isn't working he is as useful as a rocking horse in the derby.

The team is far better than its playing but I do wonder if uts at the tail end of a run and needs some major rebuild work.

Of the teams expected to compete for the Superbowl who gets on other teams?

Do any of our LBs start for 49ers/Seahawks/Broncos/Pats?

I think the front 3 could start anywhere.

The safeties should be the best trio outside of Seattle. Kenan Lewis is good enough to start anywhere but isn't a game changer. Robinson im not going to start on, though to be fair the major lack of getting to opposing QBs isn't helping any of the secondary. SJB, White are still learning.

Grubbs, Evans and Brees are eating up $38.5ml in cap this year and $47 next (yes we all know restructuring will happen). Closing in on a third of the cap on three players is madness.

We are going to need to restructure release plenty next year as we stand at nearly $160ml against the cap now without a new deal for Cam.

Galette cap hit is $15ml which is insane.

Some players cap (player-Cap in 2015- dead money)

Colston - 9.7 - 5.4
Lofton - 9 - 5
Bunkley - 6.1 - 3.2
Hawthorne - 6 - 3
Evans - 11 - 9
Grubbs - 9.6 - 6

Now I get that Loomis spins the figures well but eventually you either have to pay the dead money or overpay for a few years while the dead money reduces. Some of those figures are insane for what is produced on field. Evan Colston who has done so much ismt a $9ml receiver now. Brandon Marshall, Victor Cruz, Eric Decker, Roddy White, Anquan Boldin and Emmanuel Sanders will all be earning less next year.

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Our LB's

Lofton-Atlanta let him walk
Hawthorne-Seattle let him walk
Haralson-49ers let him walk
Humber-Colts let him walk

LB is the weak link in my opinion. It seems other teams get by with back-up and no name CB's all the time so I'm not believing Robinson drags our DB's down that much.

There's not a single LB I listed above that would net us a mid-round draft pick if we traded them. Not one.

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Drew's contract is 3 years old now and the time for it being the whipping horse for everything has passed.

Presently that contract is not in the top 2 QB or the top 5 player cap hits. It is no longer an elite contract by the leagues standards, and isnt any sort of shackle.

There are 6 Quarterbacks that are 1m away in either direction from Drews Cap hit... Its a top 25% contract and that is about it.

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He had Greer last year and doesn't this year. Some nubtard though PRob would be able to handle it. We can't keep the experiment going. Put White at corner with Lewis and run 3 safeties.

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If I remember correctly, Hawthorne and Lofton lead their teams in tackling the year before the Saints picked them up. The Saints out-bid Seattle and Atlanta and traded with San Francisco so their respective teams didn't let them walk. They're just sub par LB's.

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We'll see, the D is off to a horrible start no doubt, but let's not hang Ryan just yet.
I totally agree with Danno, LB's are a definite weakness, most of our discussions are about no pressure from the front four or terrible pass coverage, the converstaions about the middle is almost non-existent this year.

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I view being outbid as letting them walk. They didn't think those players were worth what we were offering.

I think we over-paid for what turned out to be merely average to below average LB's.

Above average pay, below average performance.

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Thank you, Danno. I was going to post that the OP's history was totally wrong.

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Never draft a top quality LB when you can overpay for a good team's rejects.

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I hate to say I told you so. I said before training camp that it's foolish to think we would pick up where we left off last year. It takes time to build a top offense. U don't go from worst ever to top 5 in one year.

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Look i am not a huge fan of Ryan as you all know but the sky is not falling. Just like with Spags you gotta let these guys play. This team was built on in your face football. that includes the secondary. this cushion style is not going to work! press coverage or bust.

now my biggest complaint is signing 3 safeties in 2013 right after a first rounder in 2012? That's 4 huge moves at the safety position in 2 years. To prove the point look what we have at safety on the practice squad. that one was free.

Now that the tape is out there on the defense you are running and we are no longer surprising any one. 5-0 right out of the gate and 6-5 the rest of the way in 2014 followed up with an 0-2 start? come on 6-7 in our last 13 regular season games. I think they know what we are running.

We have a glaring needs else where. Youth at ILB and CB. so what do we do we draft? two LB and make them play outside? then we draft 1 CB that is a multi year project? I am dumb founded.

My biggest issue with Rob. Adjustments in game and during the off season. As do many fans of teams he has coached for

I think the ship can be saved and top 16 defense can be had still if the light goes on in Robs head.

I have not given up hope yet :bng: