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I cannot help but feel he's reaching the Warner phase and may need to just tone it done. Brady was a game manager when the pats won 3 sbs. If Brady did not have 3 sbs he would not be better than Drew right now. Brees becoming a game manager does not take him out of the argument for best qb today. He's only great at home and against sorry defenses on the road. Yes he did bring us back but we should have just pounded the ball on that last drive of ours.

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I've got a message for Brees, too.

"You looked like hot garbage in the 1st quarter today and that contributed to losing this game while falling to 0-2. You should donate 25% of today's pay check to a worthy cause."

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Lol, yeah Brees , you looked bad trying to get rid of the ball with no protection AT ALL, wtf.
He made adjustments and did enough to win, defense can't stop anyone at this point. Brees is not to blame here, sorry.

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Did not say it was all Brees...sorry. But he is responsible to some degree when a Pick 6 is involved in a 2 point loss. Gotta give me that...

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That was Jimmy's fault. He should have made that dang catch.

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Re-watch that...Jimmy is 6 foot and forever tall. It was airmailed over Jimmy's outstretched hands and over his head. Pass rush pressure was there, but Brees is a veteran that has made countless throws under pressure like that.

Can't fault Jimmy for that. If he can't get it, it is an overthrow.

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Message to Drew, when the only thing that can take you out of FG range is a sack, when you get blitzed right up the middle, throw it away

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An intentional grounding penalty would also have taken them out of FG range. Just sayin.

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I agree. I don't understand why he wouldn't have had a hot read in a situation like that. He had to know that was coming regardless.

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Throwing it away doesn't have to be intentional grounding.

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I realize that. I'm just saying that there is risk in throwing it away, as well. Maybe if Drew had had some decent blocking, it wouldn't even be an issue.

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Brees made several good decisions in throwing the ball away under duress. There was a time where he would have tried to force the ball on those plays and would wind up with an interception.

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You guys are missing the real issue here. If our O-Line can't pass protect better than they did today -- our $100M quarter back is going to the hospital.

Today was mostly on the O-Line. Like last year, when they couldn't run block to save their lives. Well, at least they learned how to do that in the off-season. It's like they can't walk and chew gum. Disappointing.

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late night rambling?

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Seriously?!! Our freaking O-Line needs to pass protect. Game manager is just a bunch of BS.

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Brees is still a top notch QB in the NFL, but things appear to be changing. Brees has never done on the road what he does at home, which is normal, but that gap seems to be widening. It also seems like his deep passes are not as accurate as they were in the past. Maybe the line has something to do with it, maybe a true replacement for Devery Henderson has not been found, who knows. The way the running game has picked up, it would be reasonable to believe a guy like Brees should be hitting those deeper routes with more consistency, what I am noticing are more check downs the past couple years.

Please understand I am not trying to imply Brees is close to being done, but he appears to no longer be that superior elite quarterback, especially on the road.

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This really has nothing to do with brees or jimmy. Brees airmailed it because of the ppressure. It was well over jimmys head. Nobody discussing the real issue. The playcalling!!!! You had finally started gaining an advantage before the int was thrown. Ingram who I have been highly critical of has gashed them repeatedly.... over and over. And then on a first down play instead of a formation that assists brew you go to a shotgun look with no running option....RUN DA DAMN BALL!!!!!

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9 passes & 3 runs in 1st Qtr for 10 (yeah, TEN) yards. 1 bad snap that could have been a disaster, 1 sack that could have been a disaster. 1 false start penalty.

So, I'm going 25/50/25 on 1st Quarter offensive blame. Playcalling gets 25%; Brees gets 50% as he checked out of plays at the line plus made adjustments on-the-spot; O-line gets 25%. Pretty sure Brees is not on a short leash like a young QB and has as much flexibility or more with in-game adjustments as Brady or Manning.

Brees has played with worse O-Lines and against better Front 7's than CLE before, but 9 (NINE) First QTR yards of total offense?. You have to ID the man pulling the trigger and making the adjustments at the line of scrimmage to exploit what the defense is showing or trying to hide.

Sorry, but Brees helped contribute to the loss in Cleveland. It's idiotic to say it was mostly or all of his fault. I'm pretty dumb, but I ain't that stupid.

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How about Payton could and probably should have run the damn ball on that play.

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Well technically that should come under the heading "Message to Sean Payton"

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A wile old Vet got you. Drew nor the center nor the guard nor PT. picked up on what was going down.

Dansby’s secret info: According to ESPN.com Browns reporter Pat McManamon, Browns linebacker Karlos Dansby said he heard the Saints’ line call on a crucial third-and-5 play at Cleveland’s 31-yard line late in the fourth quarter (that they were going to protect outside right). So Dansby said he knew he could get a free lane up the middle for a sack against Brees. Indeed, Dansby flew in untouched and knocked the Saints out of field goal range.
New Orleans Saints' biggest frustration: Not finishing - ESPN


also this might be the issue

"It's frustrating because we expect to win," Brees said
New Orleans Saints vs. Cleveland Browns - Recap - September 14, 2014 - ESPN

never expect anything in the NFL and your the player that everyone looks to. It is your job help the coaches keep this mind set from happening.

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I thought the ball floated on Brees at first also, but the view from behind Graham looks like it was catchable. In the end the offense still did enough to win and the defense again couldn't come up with a stop.

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"It's frustrating because we expect to win," Brees said
New Orleans Saints vs. Cleveland Browns - Recap - September 14, 2014 - ESPN

never expect anything in the NFL and your the player that everyone looks to. It is your job help the coaches keep this mind set from happening.[/QUOTE]

These aren't the 70s Saints; although probably none would admit it I wouldn't doubt that most Saints players in the early years KNEW they weren't going to win.

I'm not sure how long I could/would continue being a Saints fan if after a loss I heard players/coaches say they "expected to lose".

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Tell that to Pierre Thomas who blew his assignment, he was throwing the ball away all game saving us from sacks, the O-line had a bad game not drew

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Then throw it at PT's feet.

The O-line did not have a bad day.

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I thought that they were destroyed but the Browns d-line in the first quarter. By the second half they figured things out. Too little too late though.

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lol yall can say whatever you want and give percentages however you see fit but here is my percentage

Patrick "PRob Nation" Robinson is 100% to blame for this loss

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I may not sure if PRob is not better off in press coverage because this cushion crap aint working

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I can't help but think this is a ignorant post. Educate yourself before posting.
Drew is 56 of 82 for 570 yards. 3 tds and 2 ints with a qb rating of over 90 only 5 points less than his career avg. of 95. There is only 3 qbs that have attempted more passes this year. and all have a lower completion rating but Cutler and he is only .2% higher. Drew is throwing more than any qb should have too. Drew is still 3+ years away from a drop off the way it seems. He is the leader of this team and will be for years to come.

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Brees currently has the highest scoring offense in the league, and after two away games. Pretty good for a team that does so poorly on the road. Pretty sure the blame is not on the offense.

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The point is, Brees doesn't have to throw that much because for the last 2 weeks we've had an awesome running game and Ingram is a one man wrecking crew

Its Payton being too stubborn, it is hurting the team and how much longer can we endure his pass happy tendencies, we had no business throwing while the browns were sending all out blitzes but as always....coaches know best.......yawn

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The Saints are second in the NFL in yards/game and second in points/game.

2014 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN
2014 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Payton's stubbornness is obviously hurting the team.

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The deciding factor was bad play by P Rob...........other players contributed to this loss but I hold P Rob directly responsible. He looks lost on almost each and every play. A corner should never have to spin 360 degrees.

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Message to Forum Users! On paper we have one of the best offense in the league putting up 30 on the road during our first two games... Our defense also just happens to be GIVING UP 30+ a game during that same time span... Let's open our eyes people

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So brees getting sacked and knocking us out of field goal range didn't hurt us at the end of the game, obviously the loss is on the defense but if we get a field goal there, the browns have to score a TD to win and I like our chances a lot more then

Also don't forget that 6 points were on the offense from the pick 6, so our D allowed 20 points