You Like Numbers?

TheOak · 09-16-2014, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Record: 0-2. Turnovers: -3 (though 1 turnover was in desperation at the end of the game)

@ ATL: Saint 1 (ONE)/Atlanta 2 (TWO) with one in overtime on our own side of the field
@ CLE: Saints 0 (ZERO)/Cleveland 2 (TWO) with one a Pick 6 in a 26-24 game.

Lose the turnover battle on the road, you are asking to get beat. Wondering why we're 0-2 and getting beat by last second FGs? It is the inability to force turnovers and our tendency to turning the ball over on the road.

This is a pretty telling stat, and one cannot deny that these 2 things are why talented teams get beat by last second FGs on the road to inferior teams. The sole reason? Of course not, but it ain't gonna help matters none.

But can we really call them inferior teams at this time? Both are 1-1. We are 0-2.

2 games is too small of a sample size.
We are not scoring 17 points/game needing turnovers for more points. Turnovers has very little to do with allowing 32 points/game.

Mardigras9 · 09-16-2014, 08:48 AM

If we win all home games and split the remaining road games, we still end up 11-5 and in the post-season. And outside of carolina (totally surprised and still undecided about them so far), I don't think any NFC team is going to do much better than that.
We are scoring more points per game than any team in the league and on the road at that. If the D tightens up, it's all good.

TheOak · 09-16-2014, 08:56 AM

New England Patriots +5 in turnovers
Pittsburgh Steelers -4 in turnovers

Both teams 1-1

Barry from MS · 09-16-2014, 09:44 PM

NE: 2 Road games...loss @ a good MIA team and were +1 and win @ a Peterson-less MIN team w/Cassell's 4 INTs.

PIT: 1 Home/1 Away...@ BAL with -3 in a blowout 26-6 loss and home vs CLE with -1 and a last minute FG to win.

Us?

@ ATL -- End Zone INT plus fumble at our own 35-ish yard line in Overtime. Lose by 3 w/FG in overtime. 6-10 point swing on 2 plays.

@ CLE -- Pick 6 in a 2 point loss and we forced ZERO turnovers.

I'll clarify then...inopportune turnovers are beating us on the road in close games. Those 3 aforementioned turnovers hold way more weight than a INT w/o a significant return around midfield in the 2nd quarter and we're up by 10-14 points against a team with a subpar defense. Make sense?

WHODATINCA · 09-18-2014, 05:59 AM

Number of key players lost by our upcoming opponents -- 2. If our opponents keep losing their best players to character flaws and resulting prison terms -- this season could become a cake walk.

Mostly kidding -- but -- at this point all good news is relevant.

lee909 · 09-18-2014, 06:45 AM

I'll give you a good number

Since Terron Armstead took over at LT from Charles Brown in week 16 (6 games) the Saints have averaged 138ypg in rushing. That includes games against Panthers, Seahawks, Tampa and the eagles. All of whom had a top 15 run defense

ScottF · 09-18-2014, 08:34 AM

Bad numbers:
ATL 47 yards in 1:10 to tie
Clev 85 yards in 2:30 to kick winning FG

and for good measure, 58 yards in 16 seconds at the end of the first half vs ATl for a 'meaningless' FG

halloween 65 · 09-18-2014, 01:13 PM

The # I want to see Sunday.1 in the win column. Then we go from there.

Barry from MS · 09-18-2014, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I'll give you a good number

Since Terron Armstead took over at LT from Charles Brown in week 16 (6 games) the Saints have averaged 138ypg in rushing. That includes games against Panthers, Seahawks, Tampa and the eagles. All of whom had a top 15 run defense

Dad gum it...great call. Freakin' awesome post, bro.

Originally Posted by halloween 65

The # I want to see Sunday.1 in the win column. Then we go from there.

I do believe that is the only number that matters.

Mathematicians UNITE!

09-16-2014, 07:11 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: You Like Numbers? Originally Posted by Barry from MS Record: 0-2. Turnovers: -3 (though 1 turnover was in desperation at the end of the game) @ ATL: Saint 1 (ONE)/Atlanta 2 (TWO) with one in overtime on our own side of the field @ CLE: Saints 0 (ZERO)/Cleveland 2 (TWO) with one a Pick 6 in a 26-24 game. Lose the turnover battle on the road, you are asking to get beat. Wondering why we're 0-2 and getting beat by last second FGs? It is the inability to force turnovers and our tendency to turning the ball over on the road. This is a pretty telling stat, and one cannot deny that these 2 things are why talented teams get beat by last second FGs on the road to inferior teams. The sole reason? Of course not, but it ain't gonna help matters none. But can we really call them inferior teams at this time? Both are 1-1. We are 0-2. 2 games is too small of a sample size. We are not scoring 17 points/game needing turnovers for more points. Turnovers has very little to do with allowing 32 points/game.

09-16-2014, 08:48 AM	#2
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: You Like Numbers? If we win all home games and split the remaining road games, we still end up 11-5 and in the post-season. And outside of carolina (totally surprised and still undecided about them so far), I don't think any NFC team is going to do much better than that. We are scoring more points per game than any team in the league and on the road at that. If the D tightens up, it's all good.

09-16-2014, 08:56 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: You Like Numbers? New England Patriots +5 in turnovers Pittsburgh Steelers -4 in turnovers Both teams 1-1 saintsfan1976 likes this.

09-16-2014, 09:44 PM	#4
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: You Like Numbers? NE: 2 Road games...loss @ a good MIA team and were +1 and win @ a Peterson-less MIN team w/Cassell's 4 INTs. PIT: 1 Home/1 Away...@ BAL with -3 in a blowout 26-6 loss and home vs CLE with -1 and a last minute FG to win. Us? @ ATL -- End Zone INT plus fumble at our own 35-ish yard line in Overtime. Lose by 3 w/FG in overtime. 6-10 point swing on 2 plays. @ CLE -- Pick 6 in a 2 point loss and we forced ZERO turnovers. I'll clarify then...inopportune turnovers are beating us on the road in close games. Those 3 aforementioned turnovers hold way more weight than a INT w/o a significant return around midfield in the 2nd quarter and we're up by 10-14 points against a team with a subpar defense. Make sense?
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09-18-2014, 05:59 AM	#5
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: You Like Numbers? Number of key players lost by our upcoming opponents -- 2. If our opponents keep losing their best players to character flaws and resulting prison terms -- this season could become a cake walk. Mostly kidding -- but -- at this point all good news is relevant.

09-18-2014, 06:45 AM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: You Like Numbers? I'll give you a good number Since Terron Armstead took over at LT from Charles Brown in week 16 (6 games) the Saints have averaged 138ypg in rushing. That includes games against Panthers, Seahawks, Tampa and the eagles. All of whom had a top 15 run defense saintsfan1976, Barry from MS, TheOak and 1 others like this.

09-18-2014, 08:34 AM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: You Like Numbers? Bad numbers: ATL 47 yards in 1:10 to tie Clev 85 yards in 2:30 to kick winning FG and for good measure, 58 yards in 16 seconds at the end of the first half vs ATl for a 'meaningless' FG saintsfan1976 and TheOak like this.

09-18-2014, 01:13 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: You Like Numbers? The # I want to see Sunday.1 in the win column. Then we go from there. Barry from MS and WHODATINCA like this.

09-18-2014, 04:49 PM	#9
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: You Like Numbers? Originally Posted by lee909 I'll give you a good number Since Terron Armstead took over at LT from Charles Brown in week 16 (6 games) the Saints have averaged 138ypg in rushing. That includes games against Panthers, Seahawks, Tampa and the eagles. All of whom had a top 15 run defense Dad gum it...great call. Freakin' awesome post, bro. Originally Posted by halloween 65 The # I want to see Sunday.1 in the win column. Then we go from there. I do believe that is the only number that matters. Mathematicians UNITE! halloween 65 likes this.

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