Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

2 years ago I would've been smiling but now I am like what da phuck! Go get a second opinion MI. I didn't see anything that could've cause a broken hand during the game so my guess is he punch something or someone after the game (probably Sean Payton strategy board)

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

He runs better angry... I say tape it up rub some dirt on it and let the guy run!

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

If someone would have said 3 weeks ago, that 2 weeks into the season Mark Ingram is easily the best player on the team, what would people have said?

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

It's a broken hand. He may be done for awhile. Trade him now! :D

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

My biggest concern is having Cadet getting more carries. I shudder every time I see him returning kicks. Cadet does not impress me. It seems like he is less productive each year. I know the Saints like him. So what do I know?

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Joique Bell or Travaris Cadet, nevermind they pick Cadet.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Go get Ford. I can't speak for his blocking, but the kid can run.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

I forgot that old rhyme "seven weeks in September..."

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

This is precisely why we start the season with a crowded backfield. If one goes down, we still have 3... You don't start the process of brining in another until you are down to two for a few reasons. One being cap space, the other being roster space.

Ingram is out so take the touches from the browns game and this is what it would look like.
All I did was move everyone up one and add Cadet.

Robinson gets Ingram's 11
Thomas gets Robinson's 8
Cadet gets Thomas's 3

If I do Atlanta's distribution
Robinson 13
Thomas 7
Cadet 6

What is so worrisome about that to cause us to cut players and consume cap space.

Gonna look foolish if we cut roster and cap for 4 weeks because of Ingram then have someone in a less redundant/ more expensive position go down.

Re: Ingram injured?
 

Need some help coping?
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...02abed3cf7.jpg

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Man that sucks. He looked so good at the end of last season and the start of this one.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

SMH. Can't win for losin.

Re: Ingram out next 4 games
 

I'M THINKING THE SAME THING, THE MAN WAS EVEN GETTING AROUND THE CORNER WITH SPEED IT HURTS BUT WATCH KERY SHINE.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

K-Rob gettin his chance... also be nice to see Cadet may get sum carries...

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Well this really stinks, heal up quick Ingram. Oh, now I get to see if keeping Cadet pays off? I don't think it will.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

I noticed in the 2nd half when Ingram was running to the left he was carrying the ball with his right hand. I was thinking "man where's your fundamentals?", but if it's his left hand that's broke, that would explain it.

Also, with Ingram out, a skill player nobody is talking about is Brandon Cooks. I'm hoping Sean get's creative with this kid. He has more potential than just a slot receiver. Give him the ball in space and I believe he can be a game changer with some pitch-outs, end-arounds, and screens.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

I'm aware of him but if you watched the Atlanta game we are already doing that. Ingram Ingram going down wouldn't change that in either direction.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Watch Sproles last night, hope the decision to trade him don't bite us in the butt. Devalue of running backs need to be carefully watch by our GM, we let Bush, Ivory, J. Bell, now Sproles go and rumors that we were shopping Pierre Thomas. I am not complaining cause we did get compensated for those rb but it was hard to see Sproles in a different jersey practically carrying a team on his shoulder to victory while we're 0-2 .

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Thomas and Cooks can cover what Sproles did. Sproles numbers drop in each season after 2011 and he was giving teams the play by being on the field, same with Ingram. If Sproles was on the field it was pass, Ingram a run. Thomas leaves teams wondering as he can do both.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Sproles stats are consistent and I differ with you on opinion about running and passing situations with sproles (rushes 53; receiving 71) teams was just as clueless with run or pass with Sproles as with Thomas.

Darren Sproles - Philadelphia Eagles - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com



Pierre Thomas - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

It's 'Next MAN UP time' guys...no excuses! Isn't this why we kept 4 RB's?
Let's GO!

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

The Eagles lacking talent doesn't mean that Sproles could help our defense.

Darren was a cap casualty.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take MOST OF THE CRITICISM.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years.
3rd down conversion rate with Sproles
2013 44%
2012 44%
2011 57%


Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes
Is there more that goes into it now? yes

I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

ok, you throwing stats at me, what were the stats last year to compare to the two games we played this year? Logically, we know if Sproles was in the line up 3rd down would've been converted higher than what it is now. I am not blaming P Thomas on the miss block that cause the sack but if that was Sproles chances are that linebacker would've been spying Sproles instead of blitzing

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Seriously? You do not understand what goes into the stat... 221 third downs went into that 2013 stat, you think a few knees a year effects that %? You are also assuming that Sproles was the person converting all of those 3rd downs which isnt even remotely a reality. Sproles had 124 touches in 2013 the Saints had 97 third down conversions. You are trying to tell me 78% of Sproles touches were third down conversions? Just stop...

Know what brother... you have gone off the reservation and I answered what you asked lee which didn't seem to pan out the way you expected.

I don't have the energy to hit a moving target today.:bng:

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

Haha
Just tried to find a breakdown of our 3rd down percentage to see who was the main man.y thoughts was it would be a evan split between Graham, Sproles and Moore over the last 2-3 years. The link I found may have been a little dated though

rushing yards amassed by second-year tailback*Deuce McAllister. And special teams ace*Michael Lewis*wasn't at all shy about acknowledging his significance in dictating field position with his production on the runback units and his tackles on kick coverage.

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

You are very comical, yes, to your question, even if he didn't carry the ball
simply cause defense coordinators had to make plans or run scenarios for the position he played. If you on the field then you must be accounted for and if he was on the field 124 times then 124 times he had to be accounted for... Now, for trying to persuade you, I see you can't be persuaded, so I am gonna just say lets agree to disagree that Sproles would've made a difference from 0-2 to 1-1 or 2-0

Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury
 

I used to defend an unpopular New Orleans QB with this same argument.