No quit in the Saints

GumboBC · 12-20-2004, 09:42 AM

I've read some posts on yesterdays game and ya'll have about covered everything.

The only thing I'd like to add is this:

This team obviously hasn't quit on Haslett. Now, I've been leading the "Fire Haslett" crowd. However, I'm not so sure. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they did fire him, but I've seen some big signs of improvement from the defense the last 2 games. Maybe they're coming together, maybe not. We'll see these next 2 games.

These coaching decisions are though. I think most folks would have gotten rid of Marty Shotenheimer (sp?) but he's doing pretty good this year.

Just remember, it doesn't make any differnece how you get in the playoffs, you just need to get there.

Peace ;)

WhoDat · 12-20-2004, 10:22 AM

I don\'t know if you\'re been \"leading the fire Haslett\" crowd, and I don\'t know that the Saints\' decision is as tough as people make it out to be.

The situation in SD is different b/c Marty has been so successful in the past. Holmgren too (though I think he should be fired), and Shannahan (also needs to go) are in similar positions. IMO, coaches rarely miss the playoffs for three or four straight years and then turn it around - sometimes they miss it a few times in the beginning of their tenure as they built \"their team\" but they don\'t make the playoffs, sink to mediocrity for four years, and then all of a sudden lead their team to the SB. Our coaching staff is hurting this team. What\'s disappointing to me is how easily people on this board can be swayed. The team plays poorly and AB and Haslett need to be run out on a rail. They come from behind to win against another bad team to get to 6-8 and all of a sudden Haslett deserves to stay. How does the propoganda continue to work? Haven\'t you all been burned enough?

GumboBC · 12-20-2004, 10:28 AM

WhoDat --

Like I said, it wouldn\'t hurt my feeling if he were fired.

But, if they make the playoffs, he must be doing something right.

I don\'t understand the NFL anymore. I don\'t know why teams come out of nowhere and do great or why teams who won the previous year suck the following year.

If this defense plays great the next 2 weeks then I can live with Haslett being the coach.

BTW, there\'s nothing wrong when someone changes their mind. It\'s called keeping an \"open\" mind. Not saying you\'re closed minded .. I\'m just saying ... There\'s no right or wrong way to get it done in the NFL.

saintfan · 12-20-2004, 10:38 AM

Propoganda? Now I\'m REALLY laughing.

I\'m with you BC, but then again I usually am. I know that sometimes ya just need some fresh Blood, and so I wouldn\'t lose any sleep is Haz was released, but I\'d feel bad for him to be sure. Some folks wanna hold him responsible for everything from Personell decisions they can\'t be sure he\'s responsible for to the weather on Game Day.

Because I defend him I\'m accused of all sorts of things. Defending the guy doesn\'t mean I think he\'s the best football coach on the planet, but like I\'ve said before -- and JKool said much better (he\'s talented like that) -- the players, in my opinion, are most at fault. Haz can\'t coach Pathon into not fumbling that ball yesterday, and by the time you\'re in the NFL you souldn\'t have to be \"coached up\" on the basics of the game.

Have their been some draft busts? Sure. So? All teams have \'em...all coaches. Lotta folks here in Dallas weren\'t too happy with Bill Parcell\'s draft this year. Go figure. Parcells keeps saying publically that the fans don\'t have a clue...more often than not I\'m inclined to agree with him.

dberce1 · 12-20-2004, 11:34 AM

But, if they make the playoffs, he must be doing something right.

If this was any regular season, we\'d have been eliminated from the playoffs weeks ago. It just so happens the NFC is terrible this year, so a 8-8 or even 7-9 team will make it in.

WhoDat · 12-20-2004, 04:14 PM

Because I defend him I\'m accused of all sorts of things. Defending the guy doesn\'t mean I think he\'s the best football coach on the planet, but like I\'ve said before -- and JKool said much better (he\'s talented like that) -- the players, in my opinion, are most at fault.

You love Haslett and will support him no matter what he does... isn\'t that how I\'m supposed to polarize the argument? Just b/c I think AB isn\'t a top five QB and just b/c I wouldn\'t lose any sleep if he left, doesn\'t mean I hate the guy... LOL.

Why is it that NE can achieve every year? Tennessee for so long? Indy? Philly? What, they just have players who play up? They have high turn over just like every other team in the league - why is it that the Saints are ALWAYS undisciplined and the Patriots NEVER are??? Just lucky with players I guess.

saintfan · 12-20-2004, 04:39 PM

Defending Haz for assumptions none of us can know -- that you post as what we sould all see clearly-- as a fact as opposed to Blaming Aaron Brooks for an offensive line that clearly does NOT excell in either or run or pass blocking (one example of many)...you either can\'t see the difference or won\'t.

However, I\'m not going to tee it up for you so you can drag the whole board into it...again. I see it, and I\'m not the only one who see\'s it, so knock yourself out Whodat.

As for all those teams you mention, which one\'s have won the Superbowl? NE doesn\'t do it \"Every Year\", only the last few, and Bill was run right out of Cleveland wasn\'t he? Why don\'t you bottle it up and see if you can sell it, cause I\'d love to watch you attempt to market your nonsense and negativity.

No go away and root for the team to lose. Oh, wait, you\'re back on the wagon again huh?

JOESAM2002 · 12-20-2004, 05:00 PM

Tic,tic,tic.

BrooksMustGo · 12-20-2004, 05:08 PM

why is it that the Saints are ALWAYS undisciplined and the Patriots NEVER are??? Just lucky with players I guess.

Maybe we could sucker some team into giving too much to take T-buck off our hands for starters?

RDOX · 12-20-2004, 06:04 PM

Maybe we could sucker some team into giving too much to take T-buck off our hands for starters?

Yes, maybe we could and then again pigs can fly. Right?

I place that move on the shoulders of LoomBoom and Baby Mule. THEY are responsible for getting the players and negotiation of contracts. Hazlett may have wanted T-Bucky, but a Scott Pioli or Rich McKay would have either laid the law down to Hazlett or gotten a better deal. Shows the competence of the Front Office group.

Everyone, including myself, has called for Hazlett\'s head on a plate. But, on reflection, with all of the other political mess that is involved with stadium, move, etc. going on, I don\'t blame Benson for wanting not to fire Hazlett. I DO want to see Mickey LoomBoom, Baby Mule, Moss, and McCarthy gone. I want to see Venturi as Director of Player Personnel or chief scout, and Pease as D-Coor. I\'d like to see us lure the Bills O-Coordinator here, or Mike Holmgren as O-Coordinator. Add Mike Sheppard to the gone category, too.

My first priority would be getting a high powered GM in place here, with a competent scouting and player personnel department also.

12-20-2004, 09:42 AM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	No quit in the Saints I've read some posts on yesterdays game and ya'll have about covered everything. The only thing I'd like to add is this: This team obviously hasn't quit on Haslett. Now, I've been leading the "Fire Haslett" crowd. However, I'm not so sure. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they did fire him, but I've seen some big signs of improvement from the defense the last 2 games. Maybe they're coming together, maybe not. We'll see these next 2 games. These coaching decisions are though. I think most folks would have gotten rid of Marty Shotenheimer (sp?) but he's doing pretty good this year. Just remember, it doesn't make any differnece how you get in the playoffs, you just need to get there. Peace ;)
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

12-20-2004, 10:22 AM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	No quit in the Saints I don\'t know if you\'re been \"leading the fire Haslett\" crowd, and I don\'t know that the Saints\' decision is as tough as people make it out to be. The situation in SD is different b/c Marty has been so successful in the past. Holmgren too (though I think he should be fired), and Shannahan (also needs to go) are in similar positions. IMO, coaches rarely miss the playoffs for three or four straight years and then turn it around - sometimes they miss it a few times in the beginning of their tenure as they built \"their team\" but they don\'t make the playoffs, sink to mediocrity for four years, and then all of a sudden lead their team to the SB. Our coaching staff is hurting this team. What\'s disappointing to me is how easily people on this board can be swayed. The team plays poorly and AB and Haslett need to be run out on a rail. They come from behind to win against another bad team to get to 6-8 and all of a sudden Haslett deserves to stay. How does the propoganda continue to work? Haven\'t you all been burned enough?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

12-20-2004, 10:28 AM	#3
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	No quit in the Saints WhoDat -- Like I said, it wouldn\'t hurt my feeling if he were fired. But, if they make the playoffs, he must be doing something right. I don\'t understand the NFL anymore. I don\'t know why teams come out of nowhere and do great or why teams who won the previous year suck the following year. If this defense plays great the next 2 weeks then I can live with Haslett being the coach. BTW, there\'s nothing wrong when someone changes their mind. It\'s called keeping an \"open\" mind. Not saying you\'re closed minded .. I\'m just saying ... There\'s no right or wrong way to get it done in the NFL.
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

12-20-2004, 10:38 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	No quit in the Saints Propoganda? Now I\'m REALLY laughing. I\'m with you BC, but then again I usually am. I know that sometimes ya just need some fresh Blood, and so I wouldn\'t lose any sleep is Haz was released, but I\'d feel bad for him to be sure. Some folks wanna hold him responsible for everything from Personell decisions they can\'t be sure he\'s responsible for to the weather on Game Day. Because I defend him I\'m accused of all sorts of things. Defending the guy doesn\'t mean I think he\'s the best football coach on the planet, but like I\'ve said before -- and JKool said much better (he\'s talented like that) -- the players, in my opinion, are most at fault. Haz can\'t coach Pathon into not fumbling that ball yesterday, and by the time you\'re in the NFL you souldn\'t have to be \"coached up\" on the basics of the game. Have their been some draft busts? Sure. So? All teams have \'em...all coaches. Lotta folks here in Dallas weren\'t too happy with Bill Parcell\'s draft this year. Go figure. Parcells keeps saying publically that the fans don\'t have a clue...more often than not I\'m inclined to agree with him.
	C'mon Man...

12-20-2004, 11:34 AM	#5
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	No quit in the Saints But, if they make the playoffs, he must be doing something right. If this was any regular season, we\'d have been eliminated from the playoffs weeks ago. It just so happens the NFC is terrible this year, so a 8-8 or even 7-9 team will make it in.

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12-20-2004, 04:14 PM	#6
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	No quit in the Saints Because I defend him I\'m accused of all sorts of things. Defending the guy doesn\'t mean I think he\'s the best football coach on the planet, but like I\'ve said before -- and JKool said much better (he\'s talented like that) -- the players, in my opinion, are most at fault. You love Haslett and will support him no matter what he does... isn\'t that how I\'m supposed to polarize the argument? Just b/c I think AB isn\'t a top five QB and just b/c I wouldn\'t lose any sleep if he left, doesn\'t mean I hate the guy... LOL. Why is it that NE can achieve every year? Tennessee for so long? Indy? Philly? What, they just have players who play up? They have high turn over just like every other team in the league - why is it that the Saints are ALWAYS undisciplined and the Patriots NEVER are??? Just lucky with players I guess.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

12-20-2004, 04:39 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	No quit in the Saints Defending Haz for assumptions none of us can know -- that you post as what we sould all see clearly-- as a fact as opposed to Blaming Aaron Brooks for an offensive line that clearly does NOT excell in either or run or pass blocking (one example of many)...you either can\'t see the difference or won\'t. However, I\'m not going to tee it up for you so you can drag the whole board into it...again. I see it, and I\'m not the only one who see\'s it, so knock yourself out Whodat. As for all those teams you mention, which one\'s have won the Superbowl? NE doesn\'t do it \"Every Year\", only the last few, and Bill was run right out of Cleveland wasn\'t he? Why don\'t you bottle it up and see if you can sell it, cause I\'d love to watch you attempt to market your nonsense and negativity. No go away and root for the team to lose. Oh, wait, you\'re back on the wagon again huh?
	C'mon Man...

12-20-2004, 05:00 PM	#8
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	No quit in the Saints Tic,tic,tic.

12-20-2004, 05:08 PM	#9
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	No quit in the Saints why is it that the Saints are ALWAYS undisciplined and the Patriots NEVER are??? Just lucky with players I guess. Maybe we could sucker some team into giving too much to take T-buck off our hands for starters?

12-20-2004, 06:04 PM	#10
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	No quit in the Saints Maybe we could sucker some team into giving too much to take T-buck off our hands for starters? Yes, maybe we could and then again pigs can fly. Right? I place that move on the shoulders of LoomBoom and Baby Mule. THEY are responsible for getting the players and negotiation of contracts. Hazlett may have wanted T-Bucky, but a Scott Pioli or Rich McKay would have either laid the law down to Hazlett or gotten a better deal. Shows the competence of the Front Office group. Everyone, including myself, has called for Hazlett\'s head on a plate. But, on reflection, with all of the other political mess that is involved with stadium, move, etc. going on, I don\'t blame Benson for wanting not to fire Hazlett. I DO want to see Mickey LoomBoom, Baby Mule, Moss, and McCarthy gone. I want to see Venturi as Director of Player Personnel or chief scout, and Pease as D-Coor. I\'d like to see us lure the Bills O-Coordinator here, or Mike Holmgren as O-Coordinator. Add Mike Sheppard to the gone category, too. My first priority would be getting a high powered GM in place here, with a competent scouting and player personnel department also.
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