Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games

09-19-2014, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Oh it can get much much worse MM. There's a reason Rob Ryan is starting Robinson over SJB and Dixon.

I don't have PFF access but I read elsewhere that the worst rated starting CB in the entire NFL is... Keenan Lewis?

That can't be true, can it?

Hold my hat.. be back in 5mins

TheOak · 09-19-2014, 08:00 AM

Ok, I am back...

With a list of 1-94th that play over 25% of their teams defensive snaps
Lewis is 89th (overall grade). If you sort by coverage grade Lewis is 95th...

But this is one of those areas where weighting doesn't make sense to me.

Same list sorted by Overall Grade
Rob Alfred Atl (3 games) - ranked 3rd, thrown at 10 / caught 5 (50%), TDs allowed 3, passes defended 4, YAC 67, QB rating throwing into his area 125.8

Keenan Lewis NO (2 games) - ranked 89th thrown at 15 / caught 10 (66.7%), TDs allowed 1, passes defended 1, YAC 69, QB rating throwing into his area 108

Looks like defending a pass trumps TDs allowed. So much in fact that Rob Alfred is #3 in rating but #1 in the most TDs allowed, and #4 in passes defended. One would think...

Then you have Jason Varette for SD - ranked 6th thrown at 11 / caught 7(63.6%), TDs allowed 0, passes defended 1, YAC 11, QB rating throwing into his area 109.7

All of that said, no matter how you sort Robinson you better have fresh batteries in your mouse if you plan on scrolling to find his name.

I took a closer look at all of the sorts and YAC is 4th worst in the league.. While his negatives are not horrible except for YAC he doesnt have any high points in areas that matter to lift him out of the basement. 3-4 defended passes and he is out of the cellar.

Danno · 09-19-2014, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

ok maybe we love drew and our offense so much that we dont like to give them criticism but listen who dats, our offense stunk up the place on the road plain and simple. in the dome we move the ball, control the clock and score at will on the road it looks like we go into remission. the offense on several occassions has placed the defense in bad positions to bail them out and to be honest, today's defense is not design to stop offenses. today's defensive backs cant play aggressive on wr, hard hits automatically gets a flag, you cant touch the qb and the list goes on and on. if our offense play lights out on the road as they do in the dome we would win a lot of our road games period.

Our defense gave up 28 points per game in those 8 games.

It just sounds so ridiculous to place blame on the offense.

exile · 09-19-2014, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

It just sounds so ridiculous to place blame on the offense.

I do blame the offense for making me watch the defense so much.

Danno · 09-19-2014, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I do blame the offense for making me watch the defense so much.

I don't understand that one.

exile · 09-19-2014, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't understand that one.

It's a time of possession joke.

Danno · 09-19-2014, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by exile

It's a time of possession joke.

But we're 14th best TOP in the league at 30:14

Rugby Saint II · 09-19-2014, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

We need to get pressure on the QB. No corner in the league is good enough to cover receivers with the time we have given the first two teams. It makes Prob look worse than he really is.

What makes P Rob look worse than he plays is P Rob.

Ashley · 09-19-2014, 11:05 AM

This Defense is just all hype.

TheOak · 09-19-2014, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I do blame the offense for making me watch the defense so much.

That's funny right there.

Less of a ToP joke for me and more of an 'if we have the ball at least no one else is scoring.'

09-19-2014, 07:31 AM	#11
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Danno Oh it can get much much worse MM. There's a reason Rob Ryan is starting Robinson over SJB and Dixon. I don't have PFF access but I read elsewhere that the worst rated starting CB in the entire NFL is... Keenan Lewis? That can't be true, can it? Hold my hat.. be back in 5mins Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-19-2014, 08:00 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Ok, I am back... With a list of 1-94th that play over 25% of their teams defensive snaps Lewis is 89th (overall grade). If you sort by coverage grade Lewis is 95th... But this is one of those areas where weighting doesn't make sense to me. Same list sorted by Overall Grade Rob Alfred Atl (3 games) - ranked 3rd, thrown at 10 / caught 5 (50%), TDs allowed 3, passes defended 4, YAC 67, QB rating throwing into his area 125.8 Keenan Lewis NO (2 games) - ranked 89th thrown at 15 / caught 10 (66.7%), TDs allowed 1, passes defended 1, YAC 69, QB rating throwing into his area 108 Looks like defending a pass trumps TDs allowed. So much in fact that Rob Alfred is #3 in rating but #1 in the most TDs allowed, and #4 in passes defended. One would think... Then you have Jason Varette for SD - ranked 6th thrown at 11 / caught 7(63.6%), TDs allowed 0, passes defended 1, YAC 11, QB rating throwing into his area 109.7 All of that said, no matter how you sort Robinson you better have fresh batteries in your mouse if you plan on scrolling to find his name. I took a closer look at all of the sorts and YAC is 4th worst in the league.. While his negatives are not horrible except for YAC he doesnt have any high points in areas that matter to lift him out of the basement. 3-4 defended passes and he is out of the cellar.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-19-2014, 10:04 AM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ok maybe we love drew and our offense so much that we dont like to give them criticism but listen who dats, our offense stunk up the place on the road plain and simple. in the dome we move the ball, control the clock and score at will on the road it looks like we go into remission. the offense on several occassions has placed the defense in bad positions to bail them out and to be honest, today's defense is not design to stop offenses. today's defensive backs cant play aggressive on wr, hard hits automatically gets a flag, you cant touch the qb and the list goes on and on. if our offense play lights out on the road as they do in the dome we would win a lot of our road games period. Our defense gave up 28 points per game in those 8 games. It just sounds so ridiculous to place blame on the offense.

09-19-2014, 10:11 AM	#14
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Originally Posted by Danno It just sounds so ridiculous to place blame on the offense. I do blame the offense for making me watch the defense so much. TheOak and teddybarexxx like this.
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09-19-2014, 10:17 AM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Originally Posted by exile I do blame the offense for making me watch the defense so much. I don't understand that one.

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09-19-2014, 10:22 AM	#16
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Originally Posted by Danno I don't understand that one. It's a time of possession joke. teddybarexxx likes this.
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09-19-2014, 10:35 AM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Originally Posted by exile It's a time of possession joke. But we're 14th best TOP in the league at 30:14

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games Originally Posted by darksoul35 We need to get pressure on the QB. No corner in the league is good enough to cover receivers with the time we have given the first two teams. It makes Prob look worse than he really is. What makes P Rob look worse than he plays is P Rob.

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Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Saints Not Ignoring 7-8 Record Over 15 Games This Defense is just all hype.

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