6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings

AsylumGuido · 09-23-2014, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We had a backup C, RB, LB, CB...

So what?

They did their job and we won.

Everyone here should be pleased with that.

There are some here that cannot be pleased unless they are displeased.

burningmetal · 09-23-2014, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There are some here that cannot be pleased unless they are displeased.

There are also some here that think their opinions take precedent over all things. There IS such a thing as an overreaction, but calling like it is... is just calling it like it is. If you don't agree, good for you. Your optimism, pessimism, or indifference is just as useless as anyone else's.

We're not here to make a difference in the world. That's what our real lives are for. It's a message board for crap sake.

hagan714 · 09-24-2014, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There are some here that cannot be pleased unless they are displeased.

we won

but is just one win so does this win give us the jump start to see improvements in the defense from here on out? because we have a long way to go in that area.

the defense has too much talent to be here in the first place. 5th ranked? nah but this aint cutting it

i want to see were the blame lies.

been through way to many years of losing for good reason to put up with losing for the wrong reason. these time come around once or maybe twice in a life time so squandering the good times rubs me the wrong way.

i can except losing if we are trying to rebuild and we sux. then i look for the silver linings anywhere i can find them. heck i will imagine a few to get me through it.

burningmetal · 09-23-2014, 09:35 PM

There isn't much difference between our two centers, our backup running back is not a dropoff at all, and all of our corners aside from maybe Lewis, stink, so it doesn't matter who's in there. I don't see those things as excuses.

Our defense played an offense in total disarray. So you can't be too excited about anything there. We still aren't getting consistent pressure, and that shows up when you play somebody who doesn't suck.

I think the proper term to describe the feeling is relieved with the win. You might be super happy, or whatever, and that's great. I try to keep things in perspective. I know who we played and I'm not gonna pretend that game wasn't a snoozer.

saintsfan1976 · 09-24-2014, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

There isn't much difference between our two centers, our backup running back is not a dropoff at all, and all of our corners aside from maybe Lewis, stink, so it doesn't matter who's in there. I don't see those things as excuses.

Our defense played an offense in total disarray. So you can't be too excited about anything there. We still aren't getting consistent pressure, and that shows up when you play somebody who doesn't suck.

I think the proper term to describe the feeling is relieved with the win. You might be super happy, or whatever, and that's great. I try to keep things in perspective. I know who we played and I'm not gonna pretend that game wasn't a snoozer.

No excuses, just facts. We played with backups as well who by the way adjusted well when a new QB (1st round pick) came in.

And I said pleased, as in the way the team played overall not relieved as in there was a way we could have lost.

burningmetal · 09-24-2014, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

No excuses, just facts. We played with backups as well who by the way adjusted well when a new QB (1st round pick) came in.

And I said pleased, as in the way the team played overall not relieved as in there was a way we could have lost.

I know you said pleased, and relieved was my word. Because you said we should be pleased and I found nothing to be pleased with in terms of performance. I outlined why the few backups in the game aren't really dropoffs. We run by committee, so I don't really consider Ingram a starter. More like a co-starter, so that's not big deal unless Khiry goes down too. The other positions you mentioned are all washes. We demoted Patrick Robinson, we weren't missing him. and Lelito and Goodwin are pretty much the same caliber player now. Goodwin just had the edge in experience. He was much better a couple years ago.

Then I look at who we played and what the final score was, and how much we seemed to sleep through 90% of that game, and I'm not particularly impressed. I'd rather win boringly or ugly than to lose, any day. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was not an impressive performance.

Danno · 09-24-2014, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I know you said pleased, and relieved was my word. Because you said we should be pleased and I found nothing to be pleased with in terms of performance. I outlined why the few backups in the game aren't really dropoffs. We run by committee, so I don't really consider Ingram a starter. More like a co-starter, so that's not big deal unless Khiry goes down too. The other positions you mentioned are all washes. We demoted Patrick Robinson, we weren't missing him. and Lelito and Goodwin are pretty much the same caliber player now. Goodwin just had the edge in experience. He was much better a couple years ago.

Then I look at who we played and what the final score was, and how much we seemed to sleep through 90% of that game, and I'm not particularly impressed. I'd rather win boringly or ugly than to lose, any day. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was not an impressive performance.

I can't speak for everyone but I don't think anyone said it was impressive. Most everyone just said it was simply what we should have done. Blowouts are extremely rare in the NFL.

Compared to the 1st two games it was definitely better, and its not like we squeaked out a victory on a last second FG. We were clearly the better team and we won.

Impressive? NO
Improving? ABSOLUTELY

I didn't see a single post that said it was impressive.

hagan714 · 09-23-2014, 11:23 AM

i expect way better out of this defense than we have saw last week. big reason they looked so good was due to way more than the way they played. if the vikes were healthy i fear we would not be so pleased with this performance.

saintsfan1976 · 09-23-2014, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i expect way better out of this defense than we have saw last week. big reason they looked so good was due to way more than the way they played. if the vikes were healthy i fear we would not be so pleased with this performance.

I hear ya Hagan but it sounds like Ryan may have introduced too much too soon.

Gotta admit - the secondary got a facelift and new installs may have set them back or at least kept them from performing like last year.

I'm glad we dialed back because talent should override scheme.

blackangold · 09-23-2014, 12:17 PM

I don't get all the pessimism.

This was a good win for a team that needed some confidence. What did we all want to see? Our D play better right? Guess what, they played good in the first half and great in the second. As this team gels they will be better defensively. I think this game woke the team up from their slumber and now they go to play the Cowboys, you know RR will have the defense ready to play.

I wouldn't be overly optimistic, but I certainly can say this team looked much more like 2013 Saints than the 2012 Saints.

09-23-2014, 09:14 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We had a backup C, RB, LB, CB... So what? They did their job and we won. Everyone here should be pleased with that. There are some here that cannot be pleased unless they are displeased. SaintFanInATLHELL, UK_WhoDat, Danno and 1 others like this.

09-23-2014, 09:44 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There are some here that cannot be pleased unless they are displeased. There are also some here that think their opinions take precedent over all things. There IS such a thing as an overreaction, but calling like it is... is just calling it like it is. If you don't agree, good for you. Your optimism, pessimism, or indifference is just as useless as anyone else's. We're not here to make a difference in the world. That's what our real lives are for. It's a message board for crap sake. hagan714 likes this.

09-24-2014, 01:46 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There are some here that cannot be pleased unless they are displeased. we won but is just one win so does this win give us the jump start to see improvements in the defense from here on out? because we have a long way to go in that area. the defense has too much talent to be here in the first place. 5th ranked? nah but this aint cutting it i want to see were the blame lies. been through way to many years of losing for good reason to put up with losing for the wrong reason. these time come around once or maybe twice in a life time so squandering the good times rubs me the wrong way. i can except losing if we are trying to rebuild and we sux. then i look for the silver linings anywhere i can find them. heck i will imagine a few to get me through it. saintsfan1976 and SaintsBro like this.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 09-24-2014 at 02:05 AM..

09-23-2014, 09:35 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings There isn't much difference between our two centers, our backup running back is not a dropoff at all, and all of our corners aside from maybe Lewis, stink, so it doesn't matter who's in there. I don't see those things as excuses. Our defense played an offense in total disarray. So you can't be too excited about anything there. We still aren't getting consistent pressure, and that shows up when you play somebody who doesn't suck. I think the proper term to describe the feeling is relieved with the win. You might be super happy, or whatever, and that's great. I try to keep things in perspective. I know who we played and I'm not gonna pretend that game wasn't a snoozer. hagan714 likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-24-2014, 07:25 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by burningmetal There isn't much difference between our two centers, our backup running back is not a dropoff at all, and all of our corners aside from maybe Lewis, stink, so it doesn't matter who's in there. I don't see those things as excuses. Our defense played an offense in total disarray. So you can't be too excited about anything there. We still aren't getting consistent pressure, and that shows up when you play somebody who doesn't suck. I think the proper term to describe the feeling is relieved with the win. You might be super happy, or whatever, and that's great. I try to keep things in perspective. I know who we played and I'm not gonna pretend that game wasn't a snoozer. No excuses, just facts. We played with backups as well who by the way adjusted well when a new QB (1st round pick) came in. And I said pleased, as in the way the team played overall not relieved as in there was a way we could have lost.

09-24-2014, 06:07 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 No excuses, just facts. We played with backups as well who by the way adjusted well when a new QB (1st round pick) came in. And I said pleased, as in the way the team played overall not relieved as in there was a way we could have lost. I know you said pleased, and relieved was my word. Because you said we should be pleased and I found nothing to be pleased with in terms of performance. I outlined why the few backups in the game aren't really dropoffs. We run by committee, so I don't really consider Ingram a starter. More like a co-starter, so that's not big deal unless Khiry goes down too. The other positions you mentioned are all washes. We demoted Patrick Robinson, we weren't missing him. and Lelito and Goodwin are pretty much the same caliber player now. Goodwin just had the edge in experience. He was much better a couple years ago. Then I look at who we played and what the final score was, and how much we seemed to sleep through 90% of that game, and I'm not particularly impressed. I'd rather win boringly or ugly than to lose, any day. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was not an impressive performance.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-24-2014, 06:18 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by burningmetal I know you said pleased, and relieved was my word. Because you said we should be pleased and I found nothing to be pleased with in terms of performance. I outlined why the few backups in the game aren't really dropoffs. We run by committee, so I don't really consider Ingram a starter. More like a co-starter, so that's not big deal unless Khiry goes down too. The other positions you mentioned are all washes. We demoted Patrick Robinson, we weren't missing him. and Lelito and Goodwin are pretty much the same caliber player now. Goodwin just had the edge in experience. He was much better a couple years ago. Then I look at who we played and what the final score was, and how much we seemed to sleep through 90% of that game, and I'm not particularly impressed. I'd rather win boringly or ugly than to lose, any day. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was not an impressive performance. I can't speak for everyone but I don't think anyone said it was impressive. Most everyone just said it was simply what we should have done. Blowouts are extremely rare in the NFL. Compared to the 1st two games it was definitely better, and its not like we squeaked out a victory on a last second FG. We were clearly the better team and we won. Impressive? NO Improving? ABSOLUTELY I didn't see a single post that said it was impressive.

09-23-2014, 11:23 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings i expect way better out of this defense than we have saw last week. big reason they looked so good was due to way more than the way they played. if the vikes were healthy i fear we would not be so pleased with this performance.

09-23-2014, 05:20 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings Originally Posted by hagan714 i expect way better out of this defense than we have saw last week. big reason they looked so good was due to way more than the way they played. if the vikes were healthy i fear we would not be so pleased with this performance. I hear ya Hagan but it sounds like Ryan may have introduced too much too soon. Gotta admit - the secondary got a facelift and new installs may have set them back or at least kept them from performing like last year. I'm glad we dialed back because talent should override scheme. hagan714 likes this.

09-23-2014, 12:17 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 6 Things That Prove the Saints Were Better than You Think vs the Vikings I don't get all the pessimism. This was a good win for a team that needed some confidence. What did we all want to see? Our D play better right? Guess what, they played good in the first half and great in the second. As this team gels they will be better defensively. I think this game woke the team up from their slumber and now they go to play the Cowboys, you know RR will have the defense ready to play. I wouldn't be overly optimistic, but I certainly can say this team looked much more like 2013 Saints than the 2012 Saints.

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