Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up

The Dude · 09-27-2014, 12:46 PM

Dallas is going to destroy our secondary.

frydaddy · 09-27-2014, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Dallas is going to destroy our secondary.

I don't think it's their passing game we need to be concerned with. Their offense is run heavy this year and they're really good at it. Gotta hand it to old Jerruh on his O-line picks in the last few drafts. Those are some big nasty athletic dudes.

I think if we do (somehow) keep their running game in check and make them go pass happy that it would actually help us. Romo is clearly still having issues with his back and it's affecting not only his arm strength but seemingly his confidence too. He's looked noticeably less comfortable in the pocket to me, and believe me that with Dez Bryant on my fantasy team I've been keeping track. If we can generate any kind of a pass rush I think we're in good shape. We'll find out soon enough, but I believe Rob when he says he's gonna fix it. He already has a simple and successful blue print to follow, and the added benefit of having almost all the same guys he had last year. I also can't help but think that this will be really good for a guy like Byrd. Not to sound like John Madden, but if you're gonna let the players make the plays.. well this guy here's a play maker.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2014, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

...and what makes you think that? now our defense hasnt played up to expectations however, they're not that sorry. i understand YOU all have your problems with our defense but my my concerns is with our offense.

Our offense is ranked: 6th 26 points average; 3rd 421 yards average; 5th 281 yards passing average; 6th 140 yards rushing

Our defense is ranked: 20th 24 points average; 24th 379 total yards; 29th 278 yards passing; 11th 101 yards rushing ( I had no idea we were that good against the run)

That's why we have concerns with the defense and not the offense; offense can't get much better, but the defense is pretty horrible...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-27-2014, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Our offense is ranked: 6th 26 points average; 3rd 421 yards average; 5th 281 yards passing average; 6th 140 yards rushing

Our defense is ranked: 20th 24 points average; 24th 379 total yards; 29th 278 yards passing; 11th 101 yards rushing ( I had no idea we were that good against the run)

That's why we have concerns with the defense and not the offense; offense can't get much better, but the defense is pretty horrible...

There are only three defensive stats that really matter:

Points

3rd down percentage

Turnovers

If the Saints defense takes care of these three, which are all interrelated, everything will be fine.

Hopefully simplifying the defense will contribute to this.

SFIAH

|Mitch| · 09-27-2014, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs.

For the sake of argument, would we have to rely on a game closing 1st down with a better defense?

Danno · 09-27-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs.

Yes, numbers can be misleading, but in this case they're not.

Danno · 09-27-2014, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

Dallas is going to destroy our secondary.

...and what makes you think that? now our defense hasnt played up to expectations however, they're not that sorry. i understand YOU all have your problems with our defense but my my concerns is with our offense. drew has thrown int's against pretty good defenses and we stalled in cruicial parts of the game where we needed a 1st down or 2 to finish off the opposing team however, i dont see anyone on here talking about that. its only defense, defense, defense. our offense put up points dont get me wrong but if you score 13 points in the 1st qtr and dont score anymore till the 12 min mark of the 4th, that raise a great deal of concern for me..

You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS.

To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent.

Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record?

Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic.

You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-27-2014, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS.

To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent.

Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record?

Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic.

You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right?

While I agree that the defense has been the bulk of the issue, the offense doesn't get a free pass. The Saints offense has three jobs:

1. Score points (DUH!)
2. Do not turn over the ball. The team is 26-0 under Payton when the team does not turn the ball over.
3. Manage the 4 minute offense at the end of the game. There is a difference between scoring, and scoring with little or no time left.

Note this has absolutely nothing to do with the defense.

Now let's analyze and grade the first two games:

1. Grade: A- 34 and 24 on the road isn't bad.

2. D+ at best. The Atlanta game had a red zone interception and a game killing fumble. The Cleveland game had a pick-6

3. C-. The good was marching the ball down and scoring each time. The not so good was leaving too much time each time for a response.

Both sides of the Saints needs to play complementary football. The defense needs to make 3rd down plays, get turnovers, and keep the scoring reasonable (like the 19 PPG last year). The offense needs to score, not give the ball away, and manage the clock in the 4th quarter.

Each of the six categories above were much improved last week. We just need to keep it up.

SFIAH

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frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,953 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by The Dude Dallas is going to destroy our secondary. I don't think it's their passing game we need to be concerned with. Their offense is run heavy this year and they're really good at it. Gotta hand it to old Jerruh on his O-line picks in the last few drafts. Those are some big nasty athletic dudes. I think if we do (somehow) keep their running game in check and make them go pass happy that it would actually help us. Romo is clearly still having issues with his back and it's affecting not only his arm strength but seemingly his confidence too. He's looked noticeably less comfortable in the pocket to me, and believe me that with Dez Bryant on my fantasy team I've been keeping track. If we can generate any kind of a pass rush I think we're in good shape. We'll find out soon enough, but I believe Rob when he says he's gonna fix it. He already has a simple and successful blue print to follow, and the added benefit of having almost all the same guys he had last year. I also can't help but think that this will be really good for a guy like Byrd. Not to sound like John Madden, but if you're gonna let the players make the plays.. well this guy here's a play maker.
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09-27-2014, 01:09 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ...and what makes you think that? now our defense hasnt played up to expectations however, they're not that sorry. i understand YOU all have your problems with our defense but my my concerns is with our offense. Our offense is ranked: 6th 26 points average; 3rd 421 yards average; 5th 281 yards passing average; 6th 140 yards rushing Our defense is ranked: 20th 24 points average; 24th 379 total yards; 29th 278 yards passing; 11th 101 yards rushing ( I had no idea we were that good against the run) That's why we have concerns with the defense and not the offense; offense can't get much better, but the defense is pretty horrible...

09-27-2014, 05:30 PM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Our offense is ranked: 6th 26 points average; 3rd 421 yards average; 5th 281 yards passing average; 6th 140 yards rushing Our defense is ranked: 20th 24 points average; 24th 379 total yards; 29th 278 yards passing; 11th 101 yards rushing ( I had no idea we were that good against the run) That's why we have concerns with the defense and not the offense; offense can't get much better, but the defense is pretty horrible... There are only three defensive stats that really matter: Points 3rd down percentage Turnovers If the Saints defense takes care of these three, which are all interrelated, everything will be fine. Hopefully simplifying the defense will contribute to this. SFIAH \|Mitch\| and frydaddy like this.

09-27-2014, 03:33 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs. For the sake of argument, would we have to rely on a game closing 1st down with a better defense?

09-27-2014, 03:34 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs. Yes, numbers can be misleading, but in this case they're not.

09-27-2014, 03:42 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx Dallas is going to destroy our secondary. ...and what makes you think that? now our defense hasnt played up to expectations however, they're not that sorry. i understand YOU all have your problems with our defense but my my concerns is with our offense. drew has thrown int's against pretty good defenses and we stalled in cruicial parts of the game where we needed a 1st down or 2 to finish off the opposing team however, i dont see anyone on here talking about that. its only defense, defense, defense. our offense put up points dont get me wrong but if you score 13 points in the 1st qtr and dont score anymore till the 12 min mark of the 4th, that raise a great deal of concern for me.. You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS. To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent. Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record? Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic. You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right?

09-27-2014, 05:51 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by Danno You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS. To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent. Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record? Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic. You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right? While I agree that the defense has been the bulk of the issue, the offense doesn't get a free pass. The Saints offense has three jobs: 1. Score points (DUH!) 2. Do not turn over the ball. The team is 26-0 under Payton when the team does not turn the ball over. 3. Manage the 4 minute offense at the end of the game. There is a difference between scoring, and scoring with little or no time left. Note this has absolutely nothing to do with the defense. Now let's analyze and grade the first two games: 1. Grade: A- 34 and 24 on the road isn't bad. 2. D+ at best. The Atlanta game had a red zone interception and a game killing fumble. The Cleveland game had a pick-6 3. C-. The good was marching the ball down and scoring each time. The not so good was leaving too much time each time for a response. Both sides of the Saints needs to play complementary football. The defense needs to make 3rd down plays, get turnovers, and keep the scoring reasonable (like the 19 PPG last year). The offense needs to score, not give the ball away, and manage the clock in the 4th quarter. Each of the six categories above were much improved last week. We just need to keep it up. SFIAH
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