Defense question

jjasso007 · 09-30-2014, 08:24 PM

Last season we were legit, and this season we're having problems in the secondary though we have pretty much the same personnel. What I have noticed is that our CB's are lining up 7-10 yards away from the receivers, which is reminding me of the old "bend but don't break" defense we used to have before Greg Williams that didn't work either. SO, what I want to know, if anyone remembers, how were our CBs playing receivers last year? Were they lining up as they are now or is this something new this season?

hagan714 · 09-30-2014, 11:24 PM

2013
out of the gate 5-0
rest of the way 7-6 (includes playoffs)

2014
out of the gate 1-3

blame road wows or what ever. there is a reason and that IMO is the fact offensive coordinators had time to watch film on the twist we made to the defense with 3 safety formations and such. they game planned it and beat it. on the road one thing has always been true over the years. defense wins road games. home field advantage we have and so does every team in the NFL. Our is better than most.

Blame?

same old game plan with no adjustments.

Drafting and free agency signings did nothing to change the facts of why we were running this defense. injuries.

Do not buy into the excuse that it is too complicated. maybe it has been beat by the offensive coordinators around the NFL.

it is a little late in the game with this system. 7-6 in the last 13 games of 2013 you would think it would have turned on a light bubble the system is beatable. nope we now sit at 1-3 in 2014 and just now starting to wake up?

Rob tied his hand in the 2013 off season. we do not have the players or the talent depth wise to do much about this scheme wise. he do have a boat load of safeties though.

So gut check time and self pride is all we can really do.

4-3 any one?

Danno · 10-01-2014, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by jjasso007

Last season we were legit, and this season we're having problems in the secondary though we have pretty much the same personnel. What I have noticed is that our CB's are lining up 7-10 yards away from the receivers, which is reminding me of the old "bend but don't break" defense we used to have before Greg Williams that didn't work either. SO, what I want to know, if anyone remembers, how were our CBs playing receivers last year? Were they lining up as they are now or is this something new this season?

Its pretty simple. Last year we had a pass rush, this year we do not.
Without a solid front 7, any secondary will get toasted, and this is proven over and over again and again.

I don't remember playing our CB's so far off last year. This is McGriffs second season so maybe its got his fingerprints all over it.

I see something that reminds me so much of 2012 I wanna throw up. After getting toasted on a long gainer our CB's look confused. They're palms are up wondering who was supposed to cover who. That didn't hapen a whole lot last year.

Another thing that reminds me of 2012 is so many missed tackles and gaping holes to run through.

I think the talent is there to be much better than what we see now, even with our sub-par LB's. They just aren't all on the same page it appears.

Beastmode · 10-01-2014, 10:39 AM

We can get a decent push when we blitz. I didn't watch the whole Dallas game for obvious reasons but when we blitzed it worked. We may get burned from time to time but we are getting burned all the time so might as will start sending folks. I fully hope to start seeing this development otherwise it will more of the same.

Mardigras9 · 10-01-2014, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its pretty simple. Last year we had a pass rush, this year we do not.
Without a solid front 7, any secondary will get toasted, and this is proven over and over again and again.

Exactly, and that is end of story!

Utah_Saint · 10-01-2014, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

We can get a decent push when we blitz. I didn't watch the whole Dallas game for obvious reasons but when we blitzed it worked. We may get burned from time to time but we are getting burned all the time so might as will start sending folks. I fully hope to start seeing this development otherwise it will more of the same.

Yeah, when you're this bad, change things. Blitz to put as much pressure on as you can and bump the receivers hard at the line to throw off timing routes.

|Mitch| · 10-01-2014, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Blitz to put as much pressure on as you can and bump the receivers hard at the line to throw off timing routes.

That's the same thing Williams did and I didn't see it having too much success, who knows if it would be any better than what we have now...

Utah_Saint · 10-01-2014, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

That's the same thing Williams did and I didn't see it having too much success, who knows if it would be any better than what we have now...

That's just it. We don't know if it will work or not.

We do know what we're doing now isn't working.

If you can't get a pass rush from your D line and your DBacks can't cover, you're not left with many options.

|Mitch| · 10-01-2014, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

If you can't get a pass rush from your D line and your DBacks can't cover, you're not left with many options.

No one can cover as long as we are giving the opposing QBs, the pass rush should be the #1 priority on the fix-it list

NOLA54 · 10-01-2014, 06:43 PM

Our defensive woes can't be as simple to fix because they would have done it by now.

09-30-2014, 11:24 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Defense question 2013 out of the gate 5-0 rest of the way 7-6 (includes playoffs) 2014 out of the gate 1-3 blame road wows or what ever. there is a reason and that IMO is the fact offensive coordinators had time to watch film on the twist we made to the defense with 3 safety formations and such. they game planned it and beat it. on the road one thing has always been true over the years. defense wins road games. home field advantage we have and so does every team in the NFL. Our is better than most. Blame? same old game plan with no adjustments. Drafting and free agency signings did nothing to change the facts of why we were running this defense. injuries. Do not buy into the excuse that it is too complicated. maybe it has been beat by the offensive coordinators around the NFL. it is a little late in the game with this system. 7-6 in the last 13 games of 2013 you would think it would have turned on a light bubble the system is beatable. nope we now sit at 1-3 in 2014 and just now starting to wake up? Rob tied his hand in the 2013 off season. we do not have the players or the talent depth wise to do much about this scheme wise. he do have a boat load of safeties though. So gut check time and self pride is all we can really do. 4-3 any one?
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10-01-2014, 08:50 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by jjasso007 Last season we were legit, and this season we're having problems in the secondary though we have pretty much the same personnel. What I have noticed is that our CB's are lining up 7-10 yards away from the receivers, which is reminding me of the old "bend but don't break" defense we used to have before Greg Williams that didn't work either. SO, what I want to know, if anyone remembers, how were our CBs playing receivers last year? Were they lining up as they are now or is this something new this season? Its pretty simple. Last year we had a pass rush, this year we do not. Without a solid front 7, any secondary will get toasted, and this is proven over and over again and again. I don't remember playing our CB's so far off last year. This is McGriffs second season so maybe its got his fingerprints all over it. I see something that reminds me so much of 2012 I wanna throw up. After getting toasted on a long gainer our CB's look confused. They're palms are up wondering who was supposed to cover who. That didn't hapen a whole lot last year. Another thing that reminds me of 2012 is so many missed tackles and gaping holes to run through. I think the talent is there to be much better than what we see now, even with our sub-par LB's. They just aren't all on the same page it appears. hagan714, Papa Voodoo, Budsdrinker and 2 others like this.

10-01-2014, 10:39 AM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Defense question We can get a decent push when we blitz. I didn't watch the whole Dallas game for obvious reasons but when we blitzed it worked. We may get burned from time to time but we are getting burned all the time so might as will start sending folks. I fully hope to start seeing this development otherwise it will more of the same. hagan714 and Utah_Saint like this.
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10-01-2014, 10:42 AM	#5
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by Danno Its pretty simple. Last year we had a pass rush, this year we do not. Without a solid front 7, any secondary will get toasted, and this is proven over and over again and again. Exactly, and that is end of story! RailBoss likes this.

10-01-2014, 06:33 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by Beastmode We can get a decent push when we blitz. I didn't watch the whole Dallas game for obvious reasons but when we blitzed it worked. We may get burned from time to time but we are getting burned all the time so might as will start sending folks. I fully hope to start seeing this development otherwise it will more of the same. Yeah, when you're this bad, change things. Blitz to put as much pressure on as you can and bump the receivers hard at the line to throw off timing routes.

09-30-2014, 08:24 PM	#1
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Defense question Last season we were legit, and this season we're having problems in the secondary though we have pretty much the same personnel. What I have noticed is that our CB's are lining up 7-10 yards away from the receivers, which is reminding me of the old "bend but don't break" defense we used to have before Greg Williams that didn't work either. SO, what I want to know, if anyone remembers, how were our CBs playing receivers last year? Were they lining up as they are now or is this something new this season?

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Blitz to put as much pressure on as you can and bump the receivers hard at the line to throw off timing routes. That's the same thing Williams did and I didn't see it having too much success, who knows if it would be any better than what we have now...

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| That's the same thing Williams did and I didn't see it having too much success, who knows if it would be any better than what we have now... That's just it. We don't know if it will work or not. We do know what we're doing now isn't working. If you can't get a pass rush from your D line and your DBacks can't cover, you're not left with many options.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by Utah_Saint If you can't get a pass rush from your D line and your DBacks can't cover, you're not left with many options. No one can cover as long as we are giving the opposing QBs, the pass rush should be the #1 priority on the fix-it list

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Defense question Our defensive woes can't be as simple to fix because they would have done it by now.

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