Benching Underachievers

Cruize · 10-02-2014, 01:38 AM

Sunseri should see the field. Either in the role Vaccaro played last year or let Vaccaro play the role where he looked worthy of being a first round pick and have Sunseri take his spot.
Go to a base 3-4 with Jordan, Hicks, and Foster on the line with PH, Humber, Lofton and JR at LB. Let JR rush and stunt ALOT with Sunseri or KV to play the rush or pass behind him.
Press and bump the recievers more. They're getting free releases and it's simple pitch and catch with the QB. And if you're going to play zone , they have to occasionally try and jump a route. I had rather see them get burnt jump a route than just letting them catch it in front of them the whole game.
Please bring in a new kicker. Any kicker. I don't care.
Robinson or PT. Cadet does not need to see the field at RB.
Throw out of the run formations and run out of the pass formations some. Way to predictable.
The little screen to Cooks is being defensed or horribly executed. New routes please.
For goodness sake, if something isn't working on either side of the ball, try something different. Adjust. Adapt.
If you go down, go down swinging.
In next years draft, get some football players. Some mean ones would be nice. Leave the pretty, flashy, stop clock heroes, and weightroom warriors to someone else.

SaintsBro · 10-02-2014, 10:36 AM

You already benched an underachiever when you benched Robinson. If that doesn't set an example, what will? You can't bench everybody -- that's madness.

Mardigras9 · 10-02-2014, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

Both sides need it. bench Colston, graham, and brees cause he ain't exactly setting the world on fire either.

And then it goes too far. Bench these offense guys in favor of who? I'll give you Hill has been playing well thiss season when given the chance.

Agree with benching some of the ineffective defense, hell it can't be any worse.

Barry from MS · 10-02-2014, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

You already benched an underachiever when you benched Robinson. If that doesn't set an example, what will? You can't bench everybody -- that's madness.

No, you can't just bench everybody since it is a group of folks on defense who are just getting a game check without putting in the effort. PRob was and still is a head case and needed to be replaced ASAP.

Honestly, we get effective NT play, we're all gonna see a better defense. Defense starts in the front...if one defensive lineman continually gets washed-out or can't get off blocks, the rest of the D suffers.

Wow...flashback to 2012 Sedrick Ellis just happened there.

WHODATINCA · 10-02-2014, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

Both sides need it. bench Colston, graham, and brees cause he ain't exactly setting the world on fire either.

How do you say "Don't like"?. Bench Drew Brees? You need your dose adjusted.

WHODATINCA · 10-02-2014, 01:32 PM

Barry, I like it. My Dad used to say the same thing about incumbent politicians, "Vote the bums out".

This team needs a shake up from the bottom up.

dizzle88 · 10-02-2014, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

No, you can't just bench everybody since it is a group of folks on defense who are just getting a game check without putting in the effort. PRob was and still is a head case and needed to be replaced ASAP.

Honestly, we get effective NT play, we're all gonna see a better defense. Defense starts in the front...if one defensive lineman continually gets washed-out or can't get off blocks, the rest of the D suffers.

Wow...flashback to 2012 Sedrick Ellis just happened there.

Flashback to 2008-2012 sedrick Ellis, he was complete garbage from day one.

Barry from MS · 10-02-2014, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Barry, I like it. My Dad used to say the same thing about incumbent politicians, "Vote the bums out".

This team needs a shake up from the bottom up.

Great analogy. If there is no threat of losing your starting job or playing time, it is very easy to not work as hard. That's why deep teams of any sport play at a high level for so long...there's always someone looking to take your job and your snaps.

WHODATINCA · 10-03-2014, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Great analogy. If there is no threat of losing your starting job or playing time, it is very easy to not work as hard. That's why deep teams of any sport play at a high level for so long...there's always someone looking to take your job and your snaps.

Yes. And, we already know Mickey Loomis and SP are FA fans. But, I wouldn't want the coaches job right now. It must be a fine balancing act to know what type of "encouragement" to use, and when to use it. And, every eye twitch is second guessed by the world. It's awesome when you are winning though.

NonieT · 10-03-2014, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Should see plenty of disagreement here, but what do y'all think of doing the following with the opening series "defense" in the Dome Sunday vs the Bucs?

Deaderick, Starting NT...bench Bunkley. BB has been manhandled more often than he has been doing the manhandling, and his play has directly affected Hicks and Jordan with them having to picking up BB's slack.
R. Powell, Starting OLB...bench Haralson. Parys hasn't been consistent in run support, something he was brought here to specifically do.
V. Sunseri, Starting SS...bench KVac. Don't think KVac is fully healthy, but he's becoming a liability in run & pass defense. Yes, bench a #1st round draft pick, especially if he is not 100%.
K. Edebali, Starting OLB...bench Galette. Wake & shake Junior up from his contract coma. Yes, bench the Captain in the Dome.

I do realize you can't keep this line-up going throughout the game, but replacing these starters who are underachieving with the young guys who might just overachieve and make those incumbent starters nervous about their jobs. Start pulling these young guys when they show signs of not being able to handle it, and leave them in if they are making plays individually and/or the defense is making stops. The NFL is littered with rookies making an impact for their team, even (gasp!) starting.

Who cares if the coaches make an underachieving millionaire mad...you don't perform, you get replaced by somebody who actually wants to perform.

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10-02-2014, 01:38 AM	#21
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Benching Underachievers Sunseri should see the field. Either in the role Vaccaro played last year or let Vaccaro play the role where he looked worthy of being a first round pick and have Sunseri take his spot. Go to a base 3-4 with Jordan, Hicks, and Foster on the line with PH, Humber, Lofton and JR at LB. Let JR rush and stunt ALOT with Sunseri or KV to play the rush or pass behind him. Press and bump the recievers more. They're getting free releases and it's simple pitch and catch with the QB. And if you're going to play zone , they have to occasionally try and jump a route. I had rather see them get burnt jump a route than just letting them catch it in front of them the whole game. Please bring in a new kicker. Any kicker. I don't care. Robinson or PT. Cadet does not need to see the field at RB. Throw out of the run formations and run out of the pass formations some. Way to predictable. The little screen to Cooks is being defensed or horribly executed. New routes please. For goodness sake, if something isn't working on either side of the ball, try something different. Adjust. Adapt. If you go down, go down swinging. In next years draft, get some football players. Some mean ones would be nice. Leave the pretty, flashy, stop clock heroes, and weightroom warriors to someone else. Barry from MS, WHODATINCA and VegasSaint9 like this.
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10-02-2014, 10:36 AM	#22
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Benching Underachievers You already benched an underachiever when you benched Robinson. If that doesn't set an example, what will? You can't bench everybody -- that's madness. Danno likes this.

10-02-2014, 11:37 AM	#23
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by jonnyrotten Both sides need it. bench Colston, graham, and brees cause he ain't exactly setting the world on fire either. And then it goes too far. Bench these offense guys in favor of who? I'll give you Hill has been playing well thiss season when given the chance. Agree with benching some of the ineffective defense, hell it can't be any worse.

10-02-2014, 01:24 PM	#24
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by SaintsBro You already benched an underachiever when you benched Robinson. If that doesn't set an example, what will? You can't bench everybody -- that's madness. No, you can't just bench everybody since it is a group of folks on defense who are just getting a game check without putting in the effort. PRob was and still is a head case and needed to be replaced ASAP. Honestly, we get effective NT play, we're all gonna see a better defense. Defense starts in the front...if one defensive lineman continually gets washed-out or can't get off blocks, the rest of the D suffers. Wow...flashback to 2012 Sedrick Ellis just happened there.

10-02-2014, 01:30 PM	#25
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by jonnyrotten Both sides need it. bench Colston, graham, and brees cause he ain't exactly setting the world on fire either. How do you say "Don't like"?. Bench Drew Brees? You need your dose adjusted.

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10-02-2014, 01:32 PM	#26
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Benching Underachievers Barry, I like it. My Dad used to say the same thing about incumbent politicians, "Vote the bums out". This team needs a shake up from the bottom up. Barry from MS likes this.

10-02-2014, 02:24 PM	#27
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by Barry from MS No, you can't just bench everybody since it is a group of folks on defense who are just getting a game check without putting in the effort. PRob was and still is a head case and needed to be replaced ASAP. Honestly, we get effective NT play, we're all gonna see a better defense. Defense starts in the front...if one defensive lineman continually gets washed-out or can't get off blocks, the rest of the D suffers. Wow...flashback to 2012 Sedrick Ellis just happened there. Flashback to 2008-2012 sedrick Ellis, he was complete garbage from day one. Barry from MS likes this.

10-02-2014, 02:33 PM	#28
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Barry, I like it. My Dad used to say the same thing about incumbent politicians, "Vote the bums out". This team needs a shake up from the bottom up. Great analogy. If there is no threat of losing your starting job or playing time, it is very easy to not work as hard. That's why deep teams of any sport play at a high level for so long...there's always someone looking to take your job and your snaps. K Major likes this.

10-03-2014, 12:32 AM	#29
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by Barry from MS Great analogy. If there is no threat of losing your starting job or playing time, it is very easy to not work as hard. That's why deep teams of any sport play at a high level for so long...there's always someone looking to take your job and your snaps. Yes. And, we already know Mickey Loomis and SP are FA fans. But, I wouldn't want the coaches job right now. It must be a fine balancing act to know what type of "encouragement" to use, and when to use it. And, every eye twitch is second guessed by the world. It's awesome when you are winning though.

10-03-2014, 12:54 AM	#30
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Benching Underachievers Originally Posted by Barry from MS Should see plenty of disagreement here, but what do y'all think of doing the following with the *opening series* "defense" in the Dome Sunday vs the Bucs? Deaderick, Starting NT...bench Bunkley. BB has been manhandled more often than he has been doing the manhandling, and his play has directly affected Hicks and Jordan with them having to picking up BB's slack. R. Powell, Starting OLB...bench Haralson. Parys hasn't been consistent in run support, something he was brought here to specifically do. V. Sunseri, Starting SS...bench KVac. Don't think KVac is fully healthy, but he's becoming a liability in run & pass defense. Yes, bench a #1st round draft pick, especially if he is not 100%. K. Edebali, Starting OLB...bench Galette. Wake & shake Junior up from his contract coma. Yes, bench the Captain in the Dome. I do realize you can't keep this line-up going throughout the game, but replacing these starters who are underachieving with the young guys who might just overachieve and make those incumbent starters nervous about their jobs. Start pulling these young guys when they show signs of not being able to handle it, and leave them in if they are making plays individually and/or the defense is making stops. The NFL is littered with rookies making an impact for their team, even (gasp!) starting. Who cares if the coaches make an underachieving millionaire mad...you don't perform, you get replaced by somebody who actually wants to perform. I approve this message! Barry from MS likes this.
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