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dizzle88 10-05-2014 04:23 PM

Thats why PT should not see a reduced role
 
When Brees needed a first down or a big play to get the momentum going, the ball always went to PT
Ingram and Khiry have been fantastic, but there's something about PT that makes him special
Crunch time and he always comes through for us, when brees needed first downs in the Superbowl, who did he go to?? PT23 - who converted about 4 first downs himself on our 3rd quarter opening drive

The old guy is not done yet, his role should reflect that.

AlaskaSaints 10-05-2014 04:25 PM

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He earned those scores. This man is MONEY. We need to build our offense around the run and get away from all this forced passing.

|Mitch| 10-05-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 616539)
We need to build our offense around the run and get away from all this forced passing.

Like Payton, an ex-quarterback with a HOF QB would ever do that...

blackangold 10-05-2014 04:33 PM

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I don't understand why Cadet is getting reps over PT... blows my mind, of all the dumb mistakes Payton has made this season that is number 1 for me. Cadet has done absolutely nothing for this team yet we still see him on the field when PT should be out there.

Barry from MS 10-05-2014 04:35 PM

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PT was a monster. That TD run was awesome, plus he led the team in receiving. PT just WILLS himself for positive yardage nearly every time he touches the ball.

Jack Vegas 10-05-2014 04:36 PM

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PT's effort was heroic today. He clawed, scratched and fought for every yard. That is the kind of effort that can inspire your teammates.

SaintLeonard 10-05-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 616544)
I don't understand why Cadet is getting reps over PT... blows my mind, of all the dumb mistakes Payton has made this season that is number 1 for me. Cadet has done absolutely nothing for this team yet we still see him on the field when PT should be out there.

Well, I agree PT is a lot better than Cadet, but that's not a knock on Cadet. He played very well against Dallas and again today.

blackangold 10-05-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 616552)
Well, I agree PT is a lot better than Cadet, but that's not a knock on Cadet. He played very well against Dallas and again today.

Played well against Dallas... maybe you think him fumbling the ball is a job well done...lol

Aside from your asinine post about Cadet playing well, why the hell should he be getting reps over PT? He does nothing better/as good than PT... nothing.

SaintLeonard 10-05-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 616554)
Played well against Dallas... maybe you think him fumbling the ball is a job well done...lol

Aside from your asinine post about Cadet playing well, why the hell should he be getting reps over PT? He does nothing better/as good than PT... nothing.

6 receptions for 60 yards isn't bad. He fumbled when the game was already out of reach, not like it mattered at all.
Also, he scored a touchdown today against TB.

What's asinine is you acting like only one of Cadet and Thomas can be on the field at the same time. Why not both?

I think PT is the best back on our team. He pretty much has been ever since he joined the Saints. But that doesn't mean he should get every snap. We run a committee system for a reason.

billyt81 10-05-2014 04:54 PM

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The run where Pierre Thomas met Major Wright at about 5 yds and smoked his ass and got another 3 or 4 yds was SWEET! Doing his best Deuce impression today putting the team on his back.

Danno 10-05-2014 04:57 PM

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Some may consider this blasphemy, but I like PT even more than Deuce.

WW_Who_Dat 10-05-2014 05:00 PM

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PT in traffic at line the looks like a short gain ... I'm sorry on the 3rd and 4th effort but him down for 17 yards ... :-)

Danno 10-05-2014 05:05 PM

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PT>>>Sproles

blackangold 10-05-2014 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 616555)
6 receptions for 60 yards isn't bad. He fumbled when the game was already out of reach, not like it mattered at all.
Also, he scored a touchdown today against TB.

What's asinine is you acting like only one of Cadet and Thomas can be on the field at the same time. Why not both?

I think PT is the best back on our team. He pretty much has been ever since he joined the Saints. But that doesn't mean he should get every snap. We run a committee system for a reason.

If Cadet is on the field it means someone else isn't. Who do you put him in for? Stills? Cooks? Jimmy? Colston? PT?.... ya no way is Cadet better than any of them... Watson? Hill? Meach?... nope.

I would rather see Toon in the game before i see cadet. For the record my mom could have caught the TD pass that Cadet grabbed today.

Before this game Cadet had 18 touches in his career and fumbled twice... not to mention the 4 fumbles he has had in the preseason. Cadet is the equivalent of Shanle on offense.

blackangold 10-05-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 616558)
Some may consider this blasphemy, but I like PT even more than Deuce.

Maybe... Deuce could take a pounding though. Not that PT can't we just havn't seen PT carry the rock like Deuce did.

Tough call on that but I might have to go with PT because of his pass blocking and pass catching abilities.

saintsfan1976 10-05-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 616558)
Some may consider this blasphemy, but I like PT even more than Deuce.

Not by me. I actually said that exact same thing today. SFIAH can back me up.

Beastmode 10-05-2014 05:51 PM

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Makes those screens look easy, like Fred Astaire with pads on lol! Love watching PT, it's a thing of beauty.

burningmetal 10-05-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 616540)
Like Payton, an ex-quarterback with a HOF QB would ever do that...

He's not playing like a hall of famer though is he? I don't care if we throw it 100 times, run it 100 times or split it down the middle, as long as we are successful. Right now, it's obvious we need more balance, and when Payton occasionally has taken his head out of his butt and tried to run it, that's when we've been at our best THIS YEAR. Every year is a little different, but right now we have to run it more than we have. If Payton can't do that because of an ego then he can find the door and get out. Let's hope it doesn't have to come to that.

Barry from MS 10-05-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 616625)
He's not playing like a hall of famer though is he? I don't care if we throw it 100 times, run it 100 times or split it down the middle, as long as we are successful. Right now, it's obvious we need more balance, and when Payton occasionally has taken his head out of his butt and tried to run it, that's when we've been at our best THIS YEAR. Every year is a little different, but right now we have to run it more than we have. If Payton can't do that because of an ego then he can find the door and get out. Let's hope it doesn't have to come to that.

Brees shouldn't be throwing 57 times in any game, ever. We get Ingram back after the Bye, so that should be more incentive to run the ball down the stretch. Right?

Boutte 10-05-2014 09:50 PM

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He should be getting 15-20 touches a game. He's as good or better than any of the Super star All-Pros on the team.

jeanpierre 10-06-2014 01:14 AM

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I'd keep pumping Khiry and PT; we win when these two are featured late in games...

Crusader 10-06-2014 03:02 AM

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Actually I think PT should have exactly the role he has right now. Some screens, some runs, a couple of passes. That is what makes him so effective. He isn't in on every play grinding the ball so he stays fresh and explosive trough the whole game.

SaintsBro 10-06-2014 08:43 AM

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Yeah as clutch as he is and as much as I love Pierre (and I do) I definitely don't want to accidentally break him by overusing him too much. STILL it makes me wonder about games like Dallas or the first Seattle loss last year, where he was the invisible forgotten man.

hagan714 10-06-2014 09:48 AM

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PT should be the main man
always should have been
that is why i say he get no respect from the front office

Danno 10-06-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 616654)
He should be getting 15-20 touches a game. He's as good or better than any of the Super star All-Pros on the team.

My only worry is that he won't last long being used like that. If someone could guarantee me that he could handle 15-20 touches per game, I'd say thats a no-brainer.

I'm 100% convinced that if he had played in the Seattle and San Fran playoff losses, we'd have another Lombardi on our shelf.

saintsfan1976 10-06-2014 10:28 AM

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Every one of our RB's has missed multiple games over the years. Why do we think it's a good idea to burn them out this early in the season?

Danno 10-06-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 616772)
Every one of our RB's has missed multiple games over the years. Why do we think it's a good idea to burn them out this early in the season?

I guess one could say we have some must win games over the next several weeks so to heck with trying to save them for later. We need wins now, and lets run PT until his legs fall off.

If we can get a few games over .500 and a game or two lead in the division then maybe we can start pacing ourselves.

Mardigras9 10-06-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 616760)
My only worry is that he won't last long being used like that. If someone could guarantee me that he could handle 15-20 touches per game, I'd say thats a no-brainer.

I'm 100% convinced that if he had played in the Seattle and San Fran playoff losses, we'd have another Lombardi on our shelf.

Agreed, and PT is the best back in the backfield with yards after contact.
No contest. I'd like to see PT out there more, but continue to let Khirly and Ingram hammer against the opposing lines.

QBREES9 10-06-2014 12:08 PM

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give him the BALL!!!!! PT

AlaskaSaints 10-06-2014 02:56 PM

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If we need to ABANDON something, it's the empty backfield. It's the only dead giveaway that we have.

billyt81 10-06-2014 03:07 PM

Re: Thats why PT should not see a reduced role
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 616558)
Some may consider this blasphemy, but I like PT even more than Deuce.

You're forgetting young Deuce when he would pop a 60 yarded every game just about. Love PT. Similar personality to Deuce but talent level is way different. Deuce was 225+ and 4.4 40yd dash. Reminded me a little of Jim Brown. Deuce also had great hands too.

SaintsBro 10-06-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 616877)
If we need to ABANDON something, it's the empty backfield. It's the only dead giveaway that we have.

It sure feels like NOTHING good ever comes out of that formation anymore. I can't think of a single recent example where anything positive has happened from it!

SaintFanQ 10-06-2014 04:17 PM

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Great to see PT get more reps today and long may the trend continue. He did great for us and always gives 100%.

Fantastic role model for the rest of the team!!!!!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

Rugby Saint II 10-06-2014 04:39 PM

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Payton is handing out the touches just right.jmho

burningmetal 10-06-2014 04:40 PM

Re: Thats why PT should not see a reduced role
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 616630)
Brees shouldn't be throwing 57 times in any game, ever. We get Ingram back after the Bye, so that should be more incentive to run the ball down the stretch. Right?

Let's hope

|Mitch| 10-06-2014 04:52 PM

Re: Thats why PT should not see a reduced role
 
It's hard to compare PT and Duece, our O-Line was so much better when Duece was toting the rock.

I'm guessing PT would look about the same running behind the 2006 O-Line:



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