Trade Deadline Oct 28th -- Any Ideas?
 

What do y'all think? During this Bye Week and the trade deadline 3 weeks away, you think Loomis and Payton are eyeballing other rosters for possible trade scenarios? It's a probability, but like some one said a few months ago, the art of the trade is a lost art these days. Give up current talent on the roster for a better draft pick, or trade a 2015 draft pick for some talent from another roster?

My preference is to hoard draft picks, but I don't think we can afford moving some of our talent for a pick. Of course, I ain't that smart. But if a trade can make this team better, I am all for it.

Something to think about though: the 2015 draft has some good talent at OLB/ILB in the 1st & 2nd rounds, and decent interior lineman talent in the 2nd round.

I pulled the pin, now I am running away...

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Yeah something we havent had is a lot of draft picks. I dont understand how we dont just try to get more draft picks. The 2014 draft aside from Cooks and maybe Baptiste has been a complete waste so far. They don't trust Baptiste out there very much, thats a huge red flag for a second round pick that should be able to contribute almost immediately. Powell could be interesting if he develops well or if he's thrown into the spotlight due to injuries. I like San Francisco's ideology as far as that goes. They will continue to be a powerhouse if they continue to rack up the talent and develop them over the years.
As far as trades, maybe Arthur Brown. Idk for what, but we need linebackers, we're pretty thin there.

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The deadline is too early in the season, anyways, and folks are scared to pull the trigger. Unless your season is in the tank or you've got a pretty good W/L record and have confidence in your depth, a mid-season trade is dangerous. We don't fit any of these right now. I'd love for a CB or a S or Powell to step up big and make a veteran expendable, but I'm not seeing that likelihood either.

I do like the Arthur Brown idea, though I'd hate to give up 2015 or 2016 picks to get him. A one-for-one or a draft package deal from both sides, maybe, but I just don't know. The Brown addition would be huge for this defense. But trade the future? Tough...glad I'm not the General Manager.

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Agreed. This season ain't over by damn sight.

And I'm not talking a hypothetical if we tank it before the deadline. What could we do trade-wise to make this team better, if anything at all? Move a WR and a pick for a LB? Move a LB for a WR and a pick?

If we're rolling at the deadline, we'd stand-down trade talk, I'm guessing.

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when was the last time the saints made a move by the dead line?

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The difficulty of the trade is that nobody out there has anything actually worth getting, that they are willing to part with and let go of! I'm sure some bottom-feeder team would trade a marginal no-name for a marginal no-name, barely above the practice squad level, but getting a QUALITY player who can jump in and make an impact NOW is gonna be tough, and expensive (in terms of picks or whatever).

Not a trade, but currently I am secretly glommed onto the full-on moronic "RIchie Incognito, should we?" bandwagon. The dude could be signed and quarantined and put in a quasi-state of lockdown by the coaches (kinda like they did with Anthony Hargrove and his drug problems, they had him in counseling and people keeping an eye on him practically 24/7 as he worked with the team) and give Incognito no cell phone, no Twitter, no jackassery, etc., just put him in to play and protect Drew, maybe in a half backup, half starter rotational role.... Like I said, in reality I know it's incredibly dumb, but man...if he were just a couple of years younger, we could move Grubbs or Evans somewhere and get rid of their contract, get Incognito for much cheaper, I would be all over that ridiculous move, for next season....

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I'd be fine with us just sitting with what we have.

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Byrd/Vaccaro for Jenkins/Harper?

C'mon, you knew it was coming. :p

I'd prefer to roll with who we have. Personnel isn't the problem.

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I'd give up a 3rd or 4th to have Jenkins back. The grass wasn't greener for us. You're right though, personnel isn't the issue.

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You'd need to give up a first before the division rival ahead of you gave him up

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Are you thinking of Harper? Harper is playing for Carolina; Jenkins is playing in Philadelphia now.

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Too bad we don't get paid to make these decisions. I hope Loomis is paying attention.

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Trade Drew Brees for Kurt Cousins and 2 rd 1 picks. Oh and just for the record I love Brees.

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I'd do that on Madden.

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I think personnel is part of the problem but there is really nobody out there any better.

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I think a stud DT that could rush the passer would be huge for us. Someone like Mccoy or a guy like JJ Watt that can be a sack machine from the inside.

It's unfortunate Hicks hasn't really worked out all that well, he is far to inconsistent and plays down to his competition. I thought he would be a pro-bowl type player for us, and maybe he can be at some point but we are lacking the push in the middle this year which is leading to tougher times on JR and Cam. We all know the lack of a pass rush kills the DBs as well.

I liked what I saw from Jenkins and Foster this past week. Perhaps Walker will come along as well, but the bottom line is we need more push from our DTs.

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I wouldn't trade until the draft, then get a stud C and 1 ILB in the 1st, a 3-4 NT in the 2nd, trade again for an extra 3rd pick up a gaurd and a CB, the 4th a WR for Meachum(although I love the guy and would have picked a TE but Graham got his MONEY) 5th a DE, 6th a kicker and 7th a RB( there will be good ones if Ingram leaves). I would keep Lofton to go along with a stud ILB and the NT and DE to shore up our middle( it gets exposed) our gaurd have big contracts and either need to ajust or get some youth and trade 1 of them. A WR that catches everything that is trown his way would go along way. Trade a gaurd, either 1 and as much as I like him,JR.I want to see a 3-4 D way more than what we play now.

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I almost left off get rid of Vitt and Johnson, and the DB coach, I really think that is where our defensive troubles start from, period. McMann needs to be escorted out of the state and told never to return for his contrabutions to special teams as far as I'm concerned.

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My mistake; I was.
however, it would take the same to get back Jenkins, plus we couldn't afford him

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Jenkins never ever played well when he was here. Why would I want him back?

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I would trade Toon for a 4th if someone would give it.

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Well if we waste picks like the 2014 draft was, I dont want our FO drafting players....this may be one of the worst drafts in the last 10 years looking at it right now.

I'm telling you, if we had someone next to Lofton who could cover that would be great. Someone opposite of gallette who could play we would have quite the defense. Dont understand how the front office keeps neglecting the LB position year after year in the draft. Best defensive teams have stellar linebackers and lineman.

Not that its even relevant to anything, but the first thing I do in madden is get new Linebackers. Used to be safeties but we took care of that finally...

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In a perfect world, Goodell the Impotent & Spec Teams Coordinator McMahon need to be traded to "Unemployment" for our vacated 2nd round picks back.

However, there are some really good ideas for getting someone at ILB, and we should be targeting this ASAP. A bunch of "What if's" though: our record vs other teams' record before the deadline, draft picks vs win-now, Sunseri's/Powell's/SJB's accelerated development before the deadline, etc. Many, many things (Good, Bad & Otherwise) can happen between now and Oct 28th.

Standing with what we have without making ANY moves before the deadline is not a bad idea, either. Trusting in the talent we have is a great option, as long as the coaches get their head out of their butts and get this talent to play as a freakin' team.

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Don't really want him back, but it appears this year is proving that its not the personnel thats the problem on defense.

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I'd be willing to make the argument that Haralson has outplayed Galette on the opposite side of the line - granted their roles as OLBs are quite different in a 3-4 look. Now, if we are placing him in a more conventional 4-3 end look - once again Jordan has been better at it, although not stellar.

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I would agree with that. Our DT's are not getting pressure to free up our 1 trick pony to get to the qb. Bunkely, Hicks and Jordan need to do much better. Our middle is exposed!!

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I was actually thinking about something today (trust me, it hurts the first time):

A Jimmy Graham trade? We just paid the man big, but there were some teams I watched today that would put some teams over that hump with Miami, NYG & Houston coming to mind. The obvious teams of OAK, JAX, WAS, and NYJ would be in that mix as well.

Graham is a monster and maybe a future HOF'er as well. Could you just imagine what we would get for him? Or is he too indispensable now and our future? We can definitely win without him, but he is an unbelievable weapon when he is in on the field.

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We can't, he'd cost us 16 million against the cap if we traded him.

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Another team wouldn't pick up his contract and/or guaranteed money if we traded him?

I do admit that the money side of the NFL is a bit out of my lane. I don't understand a bunch of the cap things, which I should really study myself up to have a coherent conversation about it.

But if you say so, then NO WAY...we can't afford a cap hit like that one.

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The way it works is if a team cuts or trades a player, all guaranteed money, signing bonus etc accelerates to the year of the deal. You can spread it over 2 seasons if its after June 1st.

The league wouldn't even allow it since it would put us 16 million over the cap this year.

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Drew Brees for JJ Watt. Similar salaries I think. JJ and Cam at DE giving us the best DL in the NFL. The Texans need a QB. We roll with Luke McCown. Play D and run the ball. I'm down.

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Trading Drew can't happen, it would cost us 22 million against the cap

The Texans can't trade JJ, it would cost them 36 million against their cap.

Player trades mean all dead money counts immediately against the cap.

Its impossible to trade Brees, Watt or any player with a huge contract unless he's in his last year and the dead money is low.

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Last year of a contract. Got it. Makes sense now. Thanks, man.

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It's because we're not playing NT Jenkins because coach is mad at the big guy for staying big.

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He played last week, collapsed the pocket pretty good too; forcing whatshisname to roll out quite often.

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Trade for CJ Spiller and get our "Darren Sproles" like figure back in our back field. Then Trade KR for a 3rd or 4th round pick to whomever. Bye Bye Cadet.