Graham out 2-3 weeks

The Dude · 10-13-2014, 11:24 AM

Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season.
Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.

dizzle88 · 10-13-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season.
Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.

Pretty much only 4 pass catchers I trust this season

Cooks, PT, Watson and Hill

Speaks volumes that two of those are backups and one of them is a 3rd down back.

MarchingOn · 10-13-2014, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft?

I don't think it means "soft" in shying away from hits or running someone over. It means soft in allowing pushy, clingy DBs to nullify him (like the Patriot's Talib last year showed could be done).

Jack Vegas · 10-13-2014, 01:00 PM

As others have said, it's a good time for Brees to refocus himself on distributing the ball more to everyone else. I have a feeling there are open guys on certain plays when Brees forces the ball to Graham anyway. We can run a very effective two-TE run-heavy offense with Watson and Hill.

Utah_Saint · 10-13-2014, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season.
Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.

You've got to be kidding.

In four years, Graham has only missed two games.

Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

blackangold · 10-13-2014, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

You've got to be kidding.

In four years, Graham has only missed two games.

Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

It's The Dude. He is always kidding or being sarcastic.

|Mitch| · 10-13-2014, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

It's The Dude. He is always kidding or being sarcastic.

He's always negative, more like it...

dizzle88 · 10-13-2014, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

As others have said, it's a good time for Brees to refocus himself on distributing the ball more to everyone else. I have a feeling there are open guys on certain plays when Brees forces the ball to Graham anyway. We can run a very effective two-TE run-heavy offense with Watson and Hill.

When brees forced the ball to an injured Jimmy Graham 3 times in the red zone, on 2nd down Cooks was wide open in the end zone

That's why I think we can be better offense without Jimmy, because every defensive player knows where the ball is going on 3rd down when he's in there

On a somewhat unrelated note, the rookie QB for the raiders is having a better season than Brees and threw 4 TD's against the chargers top ten D.

Utah_Saint · 10-13-2014, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Pretty much only 4 pass catchers I trust this season

Cooks, PT, Watson and Hill

Speaks volumes that two of those are backups and one of them is a 3rd down back.

You've got some extremely high standards.

Graham has caught 34 of 46 targets. That's a 74% reception rate. That's outstanding.

Of the top 20 receivers (yards) this season, only one has a better percentage (and he's a running back)

Jordy Nelson 63%
Antonio Brown 67%
Julio Jones 64%
TY Hilton 68%
Golden Tate 72%
Alshon Jeffery 67%
Demarius Thomas 56%
DeSean Jackson 54%
Emmanuel Sanders 73%
Jeremy Maclinn 45%
Dez Bryant 63%
Delanie Walker 64%
Reggie Wayne 63%
Andre Johnson 63%
Kelvin Benjamin 56%
Julian Edelman 71%
Greg Olsen 64%
Matt Forte 83%

Just curious, is Forte the only guy you'd trust on this list?

Also, there are only two guys on that list that have fewer targets than Graham, Walker and Jackson, so by comparison, it's hard to say the Saints are forcing the ball to Graham.

dizzle88 · 10-13-2014, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

You've got some extremely high standards.

Graham has caught 34 of 46 targets. That's a 74% reception rate. That's outstanding.

Of the top 20 receivers (yards) this season, only one has a better percentage (and he's a running back)

Jordy Nelson 63%
Antonio Brown 67%
Julio Jones 64%
TY Hilton 68%
Golden Tate 72%
Alshon Jeffery 67%
Demarius Thomas 56%
DeSean Jackson 54%
Emmanuel Sanders 73%
Jeremy Maclinn 45%
Dez Bryant 63%
Delanie Walker 64%
Reggie Wayne 63%
Andre Johnson 63%
Kelvin Benjamin 56%
Julian Edelman 71%
Greg Olsen 64%
Matt Forte 83%

Just curious, is Forte the only guy you'd trust on this list?

Also, there are only two guys on that list that have fewer targets than Graham, Walker and Jackson, so by comparison, it's hard to say the Saints are forcing the ball to Graham.

Reason I don't trust graham that much is because when the ball isn't perfectly thrown he will give a half hearted effort and either tip it up into the air (which subsequently gets picked off) or just reaches out with one hand and drops it.

10-13-2014, 11:24 AM	#31
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season. Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.
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10-13-2014, 12:17 PM	#32
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by The Dude Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season. Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season. Pretty much only 4 pass catchers I trust this season Cooks, PT, Watson and Hill Speaks volumes that two of those are backups and one of them is a 3rd down back.

10-13-2014, 12:24 PM	#33
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by iceshack149 I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft? I don't think it means "soft" in shying away from hits or running someone over. It means soft in allowing pushy, clingy DBs to nullify him (like the Patriot's Talib last year showed could be done).

10-13-2014, 01:00 PM	#34
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks As others have said, it's a good time for Brees to refocus himself on distributing the ball more to everyone else. I have a feeling there are open guys on certain plays when Brees forces the ball to Graham anyway. We can run a very effective two-TE run-heavy offense with Watson and Hill. dizzle88 likes this.
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10-13-2014, 01:06 PM	#35
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by The Dude Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season. Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season. You've got to be kidding. In four years, Graham has only missed two games. Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN ScottF likes this.

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10-13-2014, 01:16 PM	#36
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by Utah_Saint You've got to be kidding. In four years, Graham has only missed two games. Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN It's The Dude. He is always kidding or being sarcastic.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by blackangold It's The Dude. He is always kidding or being sarcastic. He's always negative, more like it... ScottF likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by Jack Vegas As others have said, it's a good time for Brees to refocus himself on distributing the ball more to everyone else. I have a feeling there are open guys on certain plays when Brees forces the ball to Graham anyway. We can run a very effective two-TE run-heavy offense with Watson and Hill. When brees forced the ball to an injured Jimmy Graham 3 times in the red zone, on 2nd down Cooks was wide open in the end zone That's why I think we can be better offense without Jimmy, because every defensive player knows where the ball is going on 3rd down when he's in there On a somewhat unrelated note, the rookie QB for the raiders is having a better season than Brees and threw 4 TD's against the chargers top ten D.

10-13-2014, 01:26 PM	#39
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by dizzle88 Pretty much only 4 pass catchers I trust this season Cooks, PT, Watson and Hill Speaks volumes that two of those are backups and one of them is a 3rd down back. You've got some extremely high standards. Graham has caught 34 of 46 targets. That's a 74% reception rate. That's outstanding. Of the top 20 receivers (yards) this season, only one has a better percentage (and he's a running back) Jordy Nelson 63% Antonio Brown 67% Julio Jones 64% TY Hilton 68% Golden Tate 72% Alshon Jeffery 67% Demarius Thomas 56% DeSean Jackson 54% Emmanuel Sanders 73% Jeremy Maclinn 45% Dez Bryant 63% Delanie Walker 64% Reggie Wayne 63% Andre Johnson 63% Kelvin Benjamin 56% Julian Edelman 71% Greg Olsen 64% Matt Forte 83% Just curious, is Forte the only guy you'd trust on this list? Also, there are only two guys on that list that have fewer targets than Graham, Walker and Jackson, so by comparison, it's hard to say the Saints are forcing the ball to Graham. iceshack149 likes this.

10-13-2014, 01:59 PM	#40
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks Originally Posted by Utah_Saint You've got some extremely high standards. Graham has caught 34 of 46 targets. That's a 74% reception rate. That's outstanding. Of the top 20 receivers (yards) this season, only one has a better percentage (and he's a running back) Jordy Nelson 63% Antonio Brown 67% Julio Jones 64% TY Hilton 68% Golden Tate 72% Alshon Jeffery 67% Demarius Thomas 56% DeSean Jackson 54% Emmanuel Sanders 73% Jeremy Maclinn 45% Dez Bryant 63% Delanie Walker 64% Reggie Wayne 63% Andre Johnson 63% Kelvin Benjamin 56% Julian Edelman 71% Greg Olsen 64% Matt Forte 83% Just curious, is Forte the only guy you'd trust on this list? Also, there are only two guys on that list that have fewer targets than Graham, Walker and Jackson, so by comparison, it's hard to say the Saints are forcing the ball to Graham. Reason I don't trust graham that much is because when the ball isn't perfectly thrown he will give a half hearted effort and either tip it up into the air (which subsequently gets picked off) or just reaches out with one hand and drops it.

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