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mighty12 10-12-2014 08:23 AM

Graham out 2-3 weeks
 
Time to see how Josh Hill has developed.

Jimmy Graham expected to miss 2-3 weeks after bye - NFL.com

brees84 10-12-2014 08:52 AM

Re: Graham out 2-3 weeks
 
Enough time to develop more balanced passing game.

stickman 10-12-2014 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 617816)
Enough time to develop more balanced passing game.

Exactly what I was thinking. I love Jimmy, but, don't want him to be the entire offense.

mighty12 10-12-2014 09:25 AM

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I really believe we will score more in the red zone without Graham. Graham is the only pass catcher that Brees will stare down. Defenses know where Drew is passing the ball in those situations.

Foot Stomper 10-12-2014 09:30 AM

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Dang. I hear what you guys are saying about developing other options but taking JG off the field is hard for me to think is a good thing.

OldMaid 10-12-2014 09:51 AM

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Foot, I hear you. No, it is not a good thing, but it is so time to readjust. They now have to make adjustments.

Everybody else, right in what you are saying...roll with the punches thing. Saints do not need anymore setbacks.

Thanks mighty for post. I just the report on NFL Network. They did not talk too much about Saints being bye week and all.

dam1953 10-12-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 617817)
Exactly what I was thinking. I love Jimmy, but, don't want him to be the entire offense.

I wonder if this is part of Coldton's problem? He is no longer Brees' go to receiver.

Cruize 10-12-2014 10:28 AM

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Just run the ball. Simple. Here it comes. Stop it if you can.

Danno 10-12-2014 10:40 AM

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Brees forcing the ball to Graham isn't Grahams problem, its Drews.

Losing Graham is huge for us. He was the cover-2 killer. Now teams will simply play more cover-2 and our offense will be more predictable than ever.

I can only hope that we experience the Ewing theory. Everyone else steps it up a notch and we play like a top offense... oh wait, we already are a top offense.

Maybe the defense will step it up now that we've lost our top offensive threat.

SaintFanQ 10-12-2014 10:48 AM

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Its sad that he's going to be out a few more weeks, but at least they are not trying to get him back before he is ready and giving him time to get healthy again!

GEAUX SAINTS!

WhoDat!656 10-12-2014 11:15 AM

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As much as I hate to say it, Graham is soft. He shies away from hits, unlike Gonzalez and Gates.

Hopefully he will toughen up and learn that he is going to get hit anyway so he might as well catch the ball.

saintsfan1976 10-12-2014 11:20 AM

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More catches, more yards, more TDs = more hits.

I'd stop short of calling him "soft".

iceshack149 10-12-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 617831)
As much as I hate to say it, Graham is soft. He shies away from hits, unlike Gonzalez and Gates.

Hopefully he will toughen up and learn that he is going to get hit anyway so he might as well catch the ball.

I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft?

Halo 10-12-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 617844)
I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft?

I just think he has been part of the DROP Army of receivers the Saints have this season. So many drops this year. People are down on Brees and veteran receivers who are dropping balls. The young guys - stills etc, aren't dropping as much or in critical moments, but the ball isn't getting into their hands.

ScottF 10-12-2014 11:56 AM

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Yeah, I'm not sure how losing our best receiver is good.
It's not like he's the first read on every play, and it's not like Brees has to throw to him.

|Mitch| 10-12-2014 11:57 AM

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I'm not worried about Graham being out, let him sit until 100%. Josh Hill and Ben Watson have proven that they can pick up the slack well enough...

jnormand 10-12-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 617847)
I'm not worried about Graham being out, let him sit until 100%. Josh Hill and Ben Watson have proven that they can pick up the slack well enough...

Agreed. JG is awesome but Watson and Hill can handle things for a few weeks. Watson is a seasoned vet and we are just starting to see Hills potential.

Danno 10-12-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 617846)
Yeah, I'm not sure how losing our best receiver is good.
It's not like he's the first read on every play, and it's not like Brees has to throw to him.

True, I saw a stat that said Graham is being targeted 10 times/game out of about 70 offensive snaps/game.

That's not exactly forcing the ball to Graham.

Rugby Saint II 10-12-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 617846)
Yeah, I'm not sure how losing our best receiver is good.
It's not like he's the first read on every play, and it's not like Brees has to throw to him.

Tell that to Drew. ;)

ScottF 10-12-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 617858)
Tell that to Drew. ;)

I will. He's coming over for the Falcons game.
God, I hope he doesn't bring the kids.

B_Dub_Saint 10-12-2014 01:11 PM

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I wonder how Crabtree will be inserted in this offense. Jimmy being out is not good no matter how you spin it.

st thomas 10-12-2014 01:13 PM

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not good that jg is out but its time for a reality check for drew and payton and jg himself, this will help it will bring us back to what we know is our offense . jimmy will get wide open when he does return; you will see.

WhoDat!656 10-12-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 617844)
I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft?

We all seen Graham not reach for catchable passes when a defender was near; some of Brees' interceptions have been because of it.

AlaskaSaints 10-12-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 617831)
As much as I hate to say it, Graham is soft. He shies away from hits, unlike Gonzalez and Gates.

Hopefully he will toughen up and learn that he is going to get hit anyway so he might as well catch the ball.

THIS

dizzle88 10-12-2014 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 617877)
We all seen Graham not reach for catchable passes when a defender was near; some of Brees' interceptions have been because of it.

Exactly

He does it all the time, let's the ball bounce of his hands and turns and looks around while the DB is running the other way with the ball

RailBoss 10-12-2014 04:01 PM

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Well the bye came at a good time for JG, I still like our chances better with him on the field.

Barry from MS 10-12-2014 07:01 PM

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Ingram back, Graham out. We have Robinson and PT. We have one of the best run blocking O-Lines in the NFL. Watson & Hill & Crabtree aren't superstars, but they do the job of an NFL TE pretty well.

I like our odds.

Jankman8 10-13-2014 03:00 AM

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Will he back for the SanFran game?

jeanpierre 10-13-2014 04:56 AM

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Curse of the big mo contract...

Must be serious as he was able to play through injuries last season...

SloMotion 10-13-2014 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 617816)
Enough time to develop more balanced passing game.

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Originally Posted by Foot Stomper (Post 617820)
Dang. I hear what you guys are saying about developing other options but taking JG off the field is hard for me to think is a good thing.

There's some merit to both opinions and undoubtedly a QB of Brees' talent would be able to take advantage of the opportunity and work on developing a more balanced passing attack. The Lions are going through a similar situation with Calvin and it is wreaking havoc on Stafford's game though, despite the wide range of offensive weapons made available to him this season.

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 617844)
I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft?

Hehehe ... there used to be a picture floating around here of Graham dragging a Lion defender across the goal line in the 2011/12 playoff matchup ... yeah, he might be a little older, banged up or something, but I wouldn't go so far as to label him "soft", :).

The Dude 10-13-2014 10:24 AM

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Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season.
Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.

dizzle88 10-13-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 618073)
Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season.
Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.

Pretty much only 4 pass catchers I trust this season

Cooks, PT, Watson and Hill

Speaks volumes that two of those are backups and one of them is a 3rd down back.

MarchingOn 10-13-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 617844)
I don't think that we are watching the same guy. I've seen Graham plow into guys and drag guys for more yardage. He injured his shoulder driving it into a defender. Why do people continue to call him soft?

I don't think it means "soft" in shying away from hits or running someone over. It means soft in allowing pushy, clingy DBs to nullify him (like the Patriot's Talib last year showed could be done).

Jack Vegas 10-13-2014 12:00 PM

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As others have said, it's a good time for Brees to refocus himself on distributing the ball more to everyone else. I have a feeling there are open guys on certain plays when Brees forces the ball to Graham anyway. We can run a very effective two-TE run-heavy offense with Watson and Hill.

Utah_Saint 10-13-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 618073)
Like I said pre contract. He will always miss several games a season. Its how he plays. This is why I had hoped they wouldn't pay him what they did. We are playing huge money to a player that is only good for 1/3 or 1/4 of the season.
Also wanted more wide receivers via draft or FA. If Colton goes down we aren't left with anyone who is really proven, albeit Colston has not looked great this season.

You've got to be kidding.

In four years, Graham has only missed two games.

Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

blackangold 10-13-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 618096)
You've got to be kidding.

In four years, Graham has only missed two games.

Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

It's The Dude. He is always kidding or being sarcastic.

|Mitch| 10-13-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 618098)
It's The Dude. He is always kidding or being sarcastic.

He's always negative, more like it...

dizzle88 10-13-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 618095)
As others have said, it's a good time for Brees to refocus himself on distributing the ball more to everyone else. I have a feeling there are open guys on certain plays when Brees forces the ball to Graham anyway. We can run a very effective two-TE run-heavy offense with Watson and Hill.

When brees forced the ball to an injured Jimmy Graham 3 times in the red zone, on 2nd down Cooks was wide open in the end zone

That's why I think we can be better offense without Jimmy, because every defensive player knows where the ball is going on 3rd down when he's in there

On a somewhat unrelated note, the rookie QB for the raiders is having a better season than Brees and threw 4 TD's against the chargers top ten D.


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