Position Spotlight: Secondary

Rugby Saint II · 10-15-2014, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Dennis Allen is available...

That would be the one move to fix this ailing secondary. Loomis needs to make the phone call.

SaintsBro · 10-15-2014, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Dennis Allen is available...

If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point.

Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man.

Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.

Utah_Saint · 10-15-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point.

Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man.

Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.

I don't know about Allen as a DC.

His only stint as a DC, 2011, his team finished 20th in yards allowed and 24th in points.
As a head coach, his defenses finished 18th in yards and 28th in points in 2012 and 22nd in yard and 29th in points in 2013.

hagan714 · 10-15-2014, 02:57 PM

The blame begins and ends at Rob's door. this is his system and he made all the moves over the past two years.

brees84 · 10-15-2014, 04:32 PM

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dizzle88 · 10-15-2014, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by brees84

https://twitter.com/UnderhillAdv/sta...79760060846080

Well he was certainly a better jack of all trades than he is a safety at the moment.

Danno · 10-15-2014, 06:29 PM

In the box safety... reference Troy Polamalu.

saintsfan1976 · 10-15-2014, 07:06 PM

Yep. In the box safety.

NOLA54 · 10-15-2014, 08:34 PM

Does Vaccaro have the sophomore blues? I can't help but wonder if Byrd doesn't feel comfortable here and if the back issue is on his mind?

NOLA54 · 10-15-2014, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Dennis Allen is available...

I thought coach & Loomis would scoop him up when he was released by the raiders.

10-15-2014, 12:12 PM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary Originally Posted by jeanpierre Dennis Allen is available... That would be the one move to fix this ailing secondary. Loomis needs to make the phone call. jeanpierre likes this.

10-15-2014, 01:11 PM	#12
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary Originally Posted by jeanpierre Dennis Allen is available... If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point. Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man. Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.

10-15-2014, 02:06 PM	#13
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary Originally Posted by SaintsBro If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point. Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man. Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that. I don't know about Allen as a DC. His only stint as a DC, 2011, his team finished 20th in yards allowed and 24th in points. As a head coach, his defenses finished 18th in yards and 28th in points in 2012 and 22nd in yard and 29th in points in 2013.

10-15-2014, 02:57 PM	#14
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary The blame begins and ends at Rob's door. this is his system and he made all the moves over the past two years.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary Originally Posted by brees84 https://twitter.com/UnderhillAdv/sta...79760060846080 Well he was certainly a better jack of all trades than he is a safety at the moment.

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary Does Vaccaro have the sophomore blues? I can't help but wonder if Byrd doesn't feel comfortable here and if the back issue is on his mind?

10-15-2014, 08:36 PM	#20
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary Originally Posted by jeanpierre Dennis Allen is available... I thought coach & Loomis would scoop him up when he was released by the raiders.

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