New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury

SmashMouth · 10-17-2014, 07:26 AM

New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram had a strong sense of deja vu following the second game of the season.

Ingram took his glove off in the locker room following the Saints 26-24 loss to the Cleveland Browns on Sept 14. He stared at his swollen thumb.

The thumb had hurt throughout the game after he landed on it after a run, but not to the extent that he couldn't play through it.

But he knew it wasn't good looking at it in the moments following the loss. That meant X-rays, which led to a prognosis of a fractured thumb and surgery.

"They sent me to get an X-ray and that's when we figured out it was broken," he said.

So for the second time in a year, Ingram was glumly facing the prospect of sitting out Week 3.

"Week 2 got me two years in a row!" he said. "I just want to get through Week 2 healthy next year."

Last season, Ingram emerged from the Saints 16-14 win against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with a toe injury. He wasn't able to return for almost two months, missing five games in the process.

The difference this time around was that Ingram seemed to be moving forward instead of backward. Ingram was the subject of much criticism following his eight-carry, 20-yard game against the Buccaneers last year.

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saintsfan1976 · 10-17-2014, 08:22 AM

The Lions allow 3.3yds per attempt. Why do you think we're going to win solely by running?

Utah_Saint · 10-17-2014, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

because running the football is still the key element to winning games i know we're in the age where we like to see 5k passing yards and deep long passes down the field for considerable gains. if you don't believe me go ask j garrett and the cowgirls. if you notice t nomo has been more of a manager of the game. he's not throwing the ball 30 to 40x's like our qb is doing per game (sorry for the stat, boy i hate stats). thats because of the effective running of d murray. now if they can do it with one back then i know we should be able to do the same thing with 4 backs (cadet, robinson, thomas and ingram). also running the football effectively tends to hide flaws of your star qb. once you get the db's and lb's peeking in the back field your wr's will be able to get open for the big plays.

A good run game is an excellent weapon for any team to have but it is not "the key element to winning games"

The Jets have an excellent running game and they're 1-6.

Of the top 10 running teams in the NFL right now, half don't have winning records.

It's good to be able to run but it's just part of the bigger picture.

2014 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

|Mitch| · 10-17-2014, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

the jets are the way they are because they turn the ball over a lot. that kills you as well. not because of the lack of running success. so once again good stat but very misleading.

the Jets are -9 and we are -8 in turnovers, but keep screaming run the ball

Danno · 10-17-2014, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

once again i hate stats, but since you brought this up, let me say this, the jets are the way they are because they turn the ball over a lot. that kills you as well. not because of the lack of running success. so once again good stat but very misleading.

You missed this one...

Of the top 10 running teams in the NFL right now, half don't have winning records.

And of the top 10 passing teams, only 4 have a losing record.

Utah_Saint · 10-17-2014, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

once again i hate stats, but since you brought this up, let me say this, the jets are the way they are because they turn the ball over a lot. that kills you as well. not because of the lack of running success. so once again good stat but very misleading.

It wasn't meant to be deceiving it was meant to show that just because you're a good rushing team doesn't necessarily mean you're a winning team.

So we can also look at it the other way around...

The division leaders

Philly is 15th in the NFL in rushing yards per game
Detroit is 29th
Carolina is 28th
Arizona is 30th
New England is 19th
Cincinnati is 12th
Indianapolis is 16th
San Diego is 25th

Not one of those teams is running the ball more than the Saints, none of them are in the top 10 and only 2 of the eight are even in the top half of the league, half of them are in the bottom quarter of the league, yet somehow they're all leading their respective divisions.

The point I'm trying to make is a good running game is a good tool to have but it's not necessary to have a winning team.

billyt81 · 10-18-2014, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

It wasn't meant to be deceiving it was meant to show that just because you're a good rushing team doesn't necessarily mean you're a winning team.

So we can also look at it the other way around...

The division leaders

Philly is 15th in the NFL in rushing yards per game
Detroit is 29th
Carolina is 28th
Arizona is 30th
New England is 19th
Cincinnati is 12th
Indianapolis is 16th
San Diego is 25th

Not one of those teams is running the ball more than the Saints, none of them are in the top 10 and only 2 of the eight are even in the top half of the league, half of them are in the bottom quarter of the league, yet somehow they're all leading their respective divisions.

The point I'm trying to make is a good running game is a good tool to have but it's not necessary to have a winning team.

I agree that some teams have the personnel to pass 40 or 50 times per game and make it work. Unfortunately at least right now I don't think we can. I think we need Ingram to run like a pro bowl back if we wanna win a championship. I think he's got it in him and I can't wait to watch this week.

Utah_Saint · 10-18-2014, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

I agree that some teams have the personnel to pass 40 or 50 times per game and make it work. Unfortunately at least right now I don't think we can. I think we need Ingram to run like a pro bowl back if we wanna win a championship. I think he's got it in him and I can't wait to watch this week.

The Saints are a pass first team. They've got one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game and a coach that loves to pass first. So they will continue to pass the ball a lot.

Fortunately, there's nothing that says that passing and rushing are mutually exclusive.

I don't think the Saints will win a championship if they force either the run game or the pass game. They have to be complimentary.

saintsfan1976 · 10-17-2014, 09:07 AM

I think we're all familiar with "why" you run and "what" it leads to.

So would you like to compare Dallas's O line to ours now? They're not built the same and don't do the same things.

hagan714 · 10-17-2014, 10:13 AM

all hands on deck forgive the pun.

10-17-2014, 07:26 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram had a strong sense of deja vu following the second game of the season. Ingram took his glove off in the locker room following the Saints 26-24 loss to the Cleveland Browns on Sept 14. He stared at his swollen thumb. The thumb had hurt throughout the game after he landed on it after a run, but not to the extent that he couldn't play through it. But he knew it wasn't good looking at it in the moments following the loss. That meant X-rays, which led to a prognosis of a fractured thumb and surgery. "They sent me to get an X-ray and that's when we figured out it was broken," he said. So for the second time in a year, Ingram was glumly facing the prospect of sitting out Week 3. "Week 2 got me two years in a row!" he said. "I just want to get through Week 2 healthy next year." Last season, Ingram emerged from the Saints 16-14 win against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with a toe injury. He wasn't able to return for almost two months, missing five games in the process. The difference this time around was that Ingram seemed to be moving forward instead of backward. Ingram was the subject of much criticism following his eight-carry, 20-yard game against the Buccaneers last year. read more Attached Thumbnails jnormand likes this.

10-17-2014, 08:22 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury The Lions allow 3.3yds per attempt. Why do you think we're going to win solely by running?

10-17-2014, 02:14 PM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury Originally Posted by teddybarexxx because running the football is still the key element to winning games i know we're in the age where we like to see 5k passing yards and deep long passes down the field for considerable gains. if you don't believe me go ask j garrett and the cowgirls. if you notice t nomo has been more of a manager of the game. he's not throwing the ball 30 to 40x's like our qb is doing per game (sorry for the stat, boy i hate stats). thats because of the effective running of d murray. now if they can do it with one back then i know we should be able to do the same thing with 4 backs (cadet, robinson, thomas and ingram). also running the football effectively tends to hide flaws of your star qb. once you get the db's and lb's peeking in the back field your wr's will be able to get open for the big plays. A good run game is an excellent weapon for any team to have but it is not "the key element to winning games" The Jets have an excellent running game and they're 1-6. Of the top 10 running teams in the NFL right now, half don't have winning records. It's good to be able to run but it's just part of the bigger picture. 2014 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN hagan714, saintsfan1976, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

10-17-2014, 04:54 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury Originally Posted by teddybarexxx the jets are the way they are because they turn the ball over a lot. that kills you as well. not because of the lack of running success. so once again good stat but very misleading. the Jets are -9 and we are -8 in turnovers, but keep screaming run the ball

10-17-2014, 05:05 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury Originally Posted by teddybarexxx once again i hate stats, but since you brought this up, let me say this, the jets are the way they are because they turn the ball over a lot. that kills you as well. not because of the lack of running success. so once again good stat but very misleading. You missed this one... Of the top 10 running teams in the NFL right now, half don't have winning records. And of the top 10 passing teams, only 4 have a losing record.

10-17-2014, 08:13 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury Originally Posted by teddybarexxx once again i hate stats, but since you brought this up, let me say this, the jets are the way they are because they turn the ball over a lot. that kills you as well. not because of the lack of running success. so once again good stat but very misleading. It wasn't meant to be deceiving it was meant to show that just because you're a good rushing team doesn't necessarily mean you're a winning team. So we can also look at it the other way around... The division leaders Philly is 15th in the NFL in rushing yards per game Detroit is 29th Carolina is 28th Arizona is 30th New England is 19th Cincinnati is 12th Indianapolis is 16th San Diego is 25th Not one of those teams is running the ball more than the Saints, none of them are in the top 10 and only 2 of the eight are even in the top half of the league, half of them are in the bottom quarter of the league, yet somehow they're all leading their respective divisions. The point I'm trying to make is a good running game is a good tool to have but it's not necessary to have a winning team. brees84 likes this.

10-18-2014, 05:17 PM	#7
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury Originally Posted by Utah_Saint It wasn't meant to be deceiving it was meant to show that just because you're a good rushing team doesn't necessarily mean you're a winning team. So we can also look at it the other way around... The division leaders Philly is 15th in the NFL in rushing yards per game Detroit is 29th Carolina is 28th Arizona is 30th New England is 19th Cincinnati is 12th Indianapolis is 16th San Diego is 25th Not one of those teams is running the ball more than the Saints, none of them are in the top 10 and only 2 of the eight are even in the top half of the league, half of them are in the bottom quarter of the league, yet somehow they're all leading their respective divisions. The point I'm trying to make is a good running game is a good tool to have but it's not necessary to have a winning team. I agree that some teams have the personnel to pass 40 or 50 times per game and make it work. Unfortunately at least right now I don't think we can. I think we need Ingram to run like a pro bowl back if we wanna win a championship. I think he's got it in him and I can't wait to watch this week.

10-18-2014, 06:23 PM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury Originally Posted by billyt81 I agree that some teams have the personnel to pass 40 or 50 times per game and make it work. Unfortunately at least right now I don't think we can. I think we need Ingram to run like a pro bowl back if we wanna win a championship. I think he's got it in him and I can't wait to watch this week. The Saints are a pass first team. They've got one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game and a coach that loves to pass first. So they will continue to pass the ball a lot. Fortunately, there's nothing that says that passing and rushing are mutually exclusive. I don't think the Saints will win a championship if they force either the run game or the pass game. They have to be complimentary.

10-17-2014, 09:07 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram back to 100 percent after thumb injury I think we're all familiar with "why" you run and "what" it leads to. So would you like to compare Dallas's O line to ours now? They're not built the same and don't do the same things.

10-17-2014, 10:13 AM	#10
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