Brandin Cooks

MatthewT · 10-22-2014, 08:07 AM

What I would like to see is Cooks being used more as a number 1 receiver. I wouldn't say the game plan with him is a waste, but the Saints do have good capable running backs for those short ones. The Saints have needed a true number 1 receiver for a long time, they now have a potential guy for that role, just need to use him now.

xan · 10-22-2014, 08:26 AM

If they're not using him, it's likely because he's not running the right routes or he's not getting the separation he was touted to get coming out of college.

I've noticed that Saints receivers as a whole can't get any separation, that the only reason one might be open is because a defender fell down. This might be either a coaching issue or a play design issue. I can't believe that players slower than Meachem are finding space around the league against the same opponents we face and it's all player "desire" issues.

Audiotom · 10-22-2014, 09:39 AM

they jam Cooks pretty hard at the line and Brees has little time to throw this year

still, quick slants

Cruize · 10-22-2014, 10:18 AM

Defenses are not concerned with the run. It gives them an advantage and makes it harder for everyone on offense. Brees, O-Line, WR's, and the RB's.

blackangold · 10-22-2014, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Foot Stomper

Back on topic to Cooks.

Brandin Cooks Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

5+ catches a game
7+ targets a game

I also wish he were more of the game plan. I thought he was going to be a breakout playmaker as a rookie. One thing seems for sure that you will never be a rookie of the year in a Payton offense.

Most of the catches have come on short routs. He really hasn't been the explosive play-maker we all know he should be. I personally think we haven't used him correctly.

blackangold · 10-22-2014, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by xan

If they're not using him, it's likely because he's not running the right routes or he's not getting the separation he was touted to get coming out of college.

I've noticed that Saints receivers as a whole can't get any separation, that the only reason one might be open is because a defender fell down. This might be either a coaching issue or a play design issue. I can't believe that players slower than Meachem are finding space around the league against the same opponents we face and it's all player "desire" issues.

It's all play design issues that call for WRs to find the zone and sit in it. When a WR is looking for a zone to sit down in guess what he isn't doing, running away from people or getting separation.

lumm0x · 10-22-2014, 11:18 AM

We have thrown to Cooks past 5 yards maybe once this year. Everything else is WR bubble screens or quick slants. We aren't really trying to employ him in the passing attack as so much of what we have always done is seams and zone spots to big bodied guys.

SaintsBro · 10-22-2014, 12:54 PM

I know people are very impatient but it's only six games. It could be that the coaches are working Cooks in to the NFL speed and level and getting his confidence up before unleashing him, or before they trust HIM enough to unleash him off the chain. They've used him on a couple of longer passes in a couple of situations. The one big one in preseason I remember where the defender missed, etc.

The Saints have a history of being VERY conservative when it comes to working rookies into the lineup. Pierre Thomas didn't even get a single carry until October in his first year. The fans were screaming his name but Junior Galette was kind of a non-factor mystery man in his first rookie year here as well. Go look at the early rookie game logs for guys like Colston or even Jimmy, I bet they're pretty sparse. I'd like to see more of Cooks, but this is a classic Sean Payton thing -- you just have to be patient and wait for it a little bit. He will come alive.

dizzle88 · 10-22-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I know people are very impatient but it's only six games. It could be that the coaches are working Cooks in to the NFL speed and level and getting his confidence up before unleashing him, or before they trust HIM enough to unleash him off the chain. They've used him on a couple of longer passes in a couple of situations. The one big one in preseason I remember where the defender missed, etc.

The Saints have a history of being VERY conservative when it comes to working rookies into the lineup. Pierre Thomas didn't even get a single carry until October in his first year. The fans were screaming his name but Junior Galette was kind of a non-factor mystery man in his first rookie year here as well. Go look at the early rookie game logs for guys like Colston or even Jimmy, I bet they're pretty sparse. I'd like to see more of Cooks, but this is a classic Sean Payton thing -- you just have to be patient and wait for it a little bit. He will come alive.

I know what your getting at but Colston is the exception, he scored 9 TD's and had over 1000 yards in his rookie season
Right from the start he was the go to guy for Drew
I do agree with you about cooks though, maybe he just needs a little more time.

Papa Voodoo · 10-22-2014, 04:51 PM

What does it say about Morgan and Toon that they can't beat Meachem out in practice?

10-22-2014, 08:07 AM	#11
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Brandin Cooks What I would like to see is Cooks being used more as a number 1 receiver. I wouldn't say the game plan with him is a waste, but the Saints do have good capable running backs for those short ones. The Saints have needed a true number 1 receiver for a long time, they now have a potential guy for that role, just need to use him now.

10-22-2014, 08:26 AM	#12
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Brandin Cooks If they're not using him, it's likely because he's not running the right routes or he's not getting the separation he was touted to get coming out of college. I've noticed that Saints receivers as a whole can't get any separation, that the only reason one might be open is because a defender fell down. This might be either a coaching issue or a play design issue. I can't believe that players slower than Meachem are finding space around the league against the same opponents we face and it's all player "desire" issues.
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10-22-2014, 09:39 AM	#13
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks they jam Cooks pretty hard at the line and Brees has little time to throw this year still, quick slants Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-22-2014, 10:18 AM	#14
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10-22-2014, 10:36 AM	#15
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by Foot Stomper Back on topic to Cooks. Brandin Cooks Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN 5+ catches a game 7+ targets a game I also wish he were more of the game plan. I thought he was going to be a breakout playmaker as a rookie. One thing seems for sure that you will never be a rookie of the year in a Payton offense. Most of the catches have come on short routs. He really hasn't been the explosive play-maker we all know he should be. I personally think we haven't used him correctly.

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10-22-2014, 10:38 AM	#16
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by xan If they're not using him, it's likely because he's not running the right routes or he's not getting the separation he was touted to get coming out of college. I've noticed that Saints receivers as a whole can't get any separation, that the only reason one might be open is because a defender fell down. This might be either a coaching issue or a play design issue. I can't believe that players slower than Meachem are finding space around the league against the same opponents we face and it's all player "desire" issues. It's all play design issues that call for WRs to find the zone and sit in it. When a WR is looking for a zone to sit down in guess what he isn't doing, running away from people or getting separation.

10-22-2014, 11:18 AM	#17
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Brandin Cooks We have thrown to Cooks past 5 yards maybe once this year. Everything else is WR bubble screens or quick slants. We aren't really trying to employ him in the passing attack as so much of what we have always done is seams and zone spots to big bodied guys. halloween 65 likes this.

10-22-2014, 12:54 PM	#18
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brandin Cooks I know people are very impatient but it's only six games. It could be that the coaches are working Cooks in to the NFL speed and level and getting his confidence up before unleashing him, or before they trust HIM enough to unleash him off the chain. They've used him on a couple of longer passes in a couple of situations. The one big one in preseason I remember where the defender missed, etc. The Saints have a history of being VERY conservative when it comes to working rookies into the lineup. Pierre Thomas didn't even get a single carry until October in his first year. The fans were screaming his name but Junior Galette was kind of a non-factor mystery man in his first rookie year here as well. Go look at the early rookie game logs for guys like Colston or even Jimmy, I bet they're pretty sparse. I'd like to see more of Cooks, but this is a classic Sean Payton thing -- you just have to be patient and wait for it a little bit. He will come alive. Barry from MS likes this.

10-22-2014, 01:19 PM	#19
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Brandin Cooks Originally Posted by SaintsBro I know people are very impatient but it's only six games. It could be that the coaches are working Cooks in to the NFL speed and level and getting his confidence up before unleashing him, or before they trust HIM enough to unleash him off the chain. They've used him on a couple of longer passes in a couple of situations. The one big one in preseason I remember where the defender missed, etc. The Saints have a history of being VERY conservative when it comes to working rookies into the lineup. Pierre Thomas didn't even get a single carry until October in his first year. The fans were screaming his name but Junior Galette was kind of a non-factor mystery man in his first rookie year here as well. Go look at the early rookie game logs for guys like Colston or even Jimmy, I bet they're pretty sparse. I'd like to see more of Cooks, but this is a classic Sean Payton thing -- you just have to be patient and wait for it a little bit. He will come alive. I know what your getting at but Colston is the exception, he scored 9 TD's and had over 1000 yards in his rookie season Right from the start he was the go to guy for Drew I do agree with you about cooks though, maybe he just needs a little more time.

10-22-2014, 04:51 PM	#20
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Brandin Cooks What does it say about Morgan and Toon that they can't beat Meachem out in practice? Barry from MS and dizzle88 like this.

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