Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception

Danno · 10-22-2014, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

for me the problem isnt necessary drew. i feel now teams expect us to pass 85-90% of the times vs running the ball. its easier to put pressure on drew when you play 7 and sometimes 8 db's and the ol cant protect him like they once were against a four man front. so think about this you rush four and can get pressure on drew, play 7 or 8 men to cover our wr's and te's you even have a lb on our rb coming out of the backfield. so our passing attack isnt much of an attack at all. now if we start running robinson, ingram, even cadet and they start producing these 100 yrds backs i assure you things will get better for drew and our offense. i cant stress this enough. unless d murray of the cowboys get hurt, we will be watching them in the sb! again i said doesnt get hurt.

We pass 63.7% of the time, not 85-90, but yes, we should run more. A nice 60/40 mix would be fine with me.

|Mitch| · 10-22-2014, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We pass 63.7% of the time, not 85-90, but yes, we should run more. A nice 60/40 mix would be fine with me.

If we're passing 63.7% of the time, we're right there are your 60/40... That ratio will fluctuate game to game, regardless...

|Mitch| · 10-22-2014, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football.

Looks like we are running well enough, especially in the first 2 games... All points to defense as the problem...
Week #1 = 139 rush yards
Week #2 = 174 rush yards
Week #3 = 108 rush yards
Week #4 = 108 rush yards
Week #5 = 140 rush yards
Week #6 = Bye
Week #7 = 73 rush yards

dizzle88 · 10-22-2014, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 !

No need to try and correct anyone because Mitch has posted the evidence.

|Mitch| · 10-22-2014, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

ah yes, and if you notice its not 120 yrds every game.

We missed running 120 yards every week by 12 yards in two games, not including the Lions game...

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football.

And in week 2, we had ran for 139 and 174 yards; but I guess the NFL's official stats are misleading though

|Mitch| · 10-22-2014, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

ok okay if you all think that's enough rushing, go right ahead and keep lying to yourselves.

That's right, we should run 80%-90% of the time... I bet they'd get 200+ yards rushing facing 8-9 in the box on every down.

I wonder if our offense would be any better than #2 in the league that we are now? #2 and our offense needs to get better; how about our #21st ranked defense?!

ikecomp · 10-22-2014, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

ok okay if you all think that's enough rushing, go right ahead and keep lying to yourselves. i'm not. not when i see backs getting those yards by themselves and we have 4 backs and none of them yet have a 100yrds rushing. some of you will argue the saints never ran the ball like that, but let me erge you all times have changed. the peyton's, the tom brady's of qb's is becoming a thing of the pass and in order to take pressure of your qb that is struggling is to commit to the run game. again take a look at dallas what's working for them?.... ah yes the running game.

I think you're missing the point. No one is saying we don't need to run the ball. We're saying that the rushing yards that we're generating right now is not bad by any standard. The reason you may see other backs going for 100+ a game is because they are the feature back for their team. We don't have a feature back here. We do it by committee. It shouldn't matter where the yards are coming from as long as we get them.

It's also worth mentioning that most of murray's yards come before contact meaning his Oline is making wholes so big that he gets big chunk yardage before he even gets touched. I and every fan here would love to have that type of oline but honestly we don't so hoping for our running backs to get that type of yardage every game isn't going to happen. However, our rushing attack is far from bad.

Just trying to put some perspective on things. We have a lot of problems right now (poor decisions by brees at the worst times, breakdowns in defense at the worst times, poor communication by the defense, slow linebackers, etc) but our rushing attack is fairly low on the list of concerns.

You also neglected to mention how improved Dallas defense is this year which is also a big part of their success. I know they are helped by the run game but last year's defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. This year their defense is actually decent.

dizzle88 · 10-22-2014, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

ah yes, and if you notice its not 120 yrds every game.

Average rush yards per game

123.33

My bad that it wasn't exactly 120 yards per game as I was speaking from memory, 174 yards obviously isn't good enough for you because you'll find a fault with anybody that disagrees with you.

jnormand · 10-22-2014, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football. i also was putting up stats (like danno) showing where we had 4 backs combined for less than or slightly over 100yrds rushing. also i'm sorry danno maybe not 85-90% of the time but it sure in the hell seem like it. if you notice we come out throwing the ball. i feel they need to commit more to the run, meaning that they need to work on our run block more. lets get these guys use to run blocking for ingram, cadet, thomas, and robinson. once they do that passing will be better because now when drew goes to our ol and he sees colston one on one or graham in a one on one situation he'll be able to complete more accurately to those guys. right now because the oppsing defense knows our primary role is drew and his pass attack, they blitzing more and often times able to rush only four and still get pressure to drew. coaches please take pressure of these guys by committing to the run game please!

You say a lot of things. But mostly what I read is you trying to blow your own horn and say how you were right all along about something that you weren't necessarily right about.

dizzle88 · 10-22-2014, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

You say a lot of things. But mostly what I read is you trying to blow your own horn and say how you were right all along about something that you weren't necessarily right about.

Bingo!

10-22-2014, 04:14 PM	#7
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ok okay if you all think that's enough rushing, go right ahead and keep lying to yourselves. i'm not. not when i see backs getting those yards by themselves and we have 4 backs and none of them yet have a 100yrds rushing. some of you will argue the saints never ran the ball like that, but let me erge you all times have changed. the peyton's, the tom brady's of qb's is becoming a thing of the pass and in order to take pressure of your qb that is struggling is to commit to the run game. again take a look at dallas what's working for them?.... ah yes the running game. I think you're missing the point. No one is saying we don't need to run the ball. We're saying that the rushing yards that we're generating right now is not bad by any standard. The reason you may see other backs going for 100+ a game is because they are the feature back for their team. We don't have a feature back here. We do it by committee. It shouldn't matter where the yards are coming from as long as we get them. It's also worth mentioning that most of murray's yards come before contact meaning his Oline is making wholes so big that he gets big chunk yardage before he even gets touched. I and every fan here would love to have that type of oline but honestly we don't so hoping for our running backs to get that type of yardage every game isn't going to happen. However, our rushing attack is far from bad. Just trying to put some perspective on things. We have a lot of problems right now (poor decisions by brees at the worst times, breakdowns in defense at the worst times, poor communication by the defense, slow linebackers, etc) but our rushing attack is fairly low on the list of concerns. You also neglected to mention how improved Dallas defense is this year which is also a big part of their success. I know they are helped by the run game but last year's defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. This year their defense is actually decent.
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10-22-2014, 03:44 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,542	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ah yes, and if you notice its not 120 yrds every game. Average rush yards per game 123.33 My bad that it wasn't exactly 120 yards per game as I was speaking from memory, 174 yards obviously isn't good enough for you because you'll find a fault with anybody that disagrees with you.

10-22-2014, 04:17 PM	#9
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,779	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football. i also was putting up stats (like danno) showing where we had 4 backs combined for less than or slightly over 100yrds rushing. also i'm sorry danno maybe not 85-90% of the time but it sure in the hell seem like it. if you notice we come out throwing the ball. i feel they need to commit more to the run, meaning that they need to work on our run block more. lets get these guys use to run blocking for ingram, cadet, thomas, and robinson. once they do that passing will be better because now when drew goes to our ol and he sees colston one on one or graham in a one on one situation he'll be able to complete more accurately to those guys. right now because the oppsing defense knows our primary role is drew and his pass attack, they blitzing more and often times able to rush only four and still get pressure to drew. coaches please take pressure of these guys by committing to the run game please! You say a lot of things. But mostly what I read is you trying to blow your own horn and say how you were right all along about something that you weren't necessarily right about. Danno and dizzle88 like this.

10-22-2014, 04:18 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,542	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by jnormand You say a lot of things. But mostly what I read is you trying to blow your own horn and say how you were right all along about something that you weren't necessarily right about. Bingo!

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10-22-2014, 02:55 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx for me the problem isnt necessary drew. i feel now teams expect us to pass 85-90% of the times vs running the ball. its easier to put pressure on drew when you play 7 and sometimes 8 db's and the ol cant protect him like they once were against a four man front. so think about this you rush four and can get pressure on drew, play 7 or 8 men to cover our wr's and te's you even have a lb on our rb coming out of the backfield. so our passing attack isnt much of an attack at all. now if we start running robinson, ingram, even cadet and they start producing these 100 yrds backs i assure you things will get better for drew and our offense. i cant stress this enough. unless d murray of the cowboys get hurt, we will be watching them in the sb! again i said doesnt get hurt. We pass 63.7% of the time, not 85-90, but yes, we should run more. A nice 60/40 mix would be fine with me. MarchingOn likes this.

10-22-2014, 03:00 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by Danno We pass 63.7% of the time, not 85-90, but yes, we should run more. A nice 60/40 mix would be fine with me. If we're passing 63.7% of the time, we're right there are your 60/40... That ratio will fluctuate game to game, regardless...

10-22-2014, 03:13 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football. Looks like we are running well enough, especially in the first 2 games... All points to defense as the problem... Week #1 = 139 rush yards Week #2 = 174 rush yards Week #3 = 108 rush yards Week #4 = 108 rush yards Week #5 = 140 rush yards Week #6 = Bye Week #7 = 73 rush yards jnormand, Danno and dizzle88 like this.

10-22-2014, 03:17 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,542	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 ! No need to try and correct anyone because Mitch has posted the evidence.

10-22-2014, 03:43 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ah yes, and if you notice its not 120 yrds every game. We missed running 120 yards every week by 12 yards in two games, not including the Lions game... Originally Posted by teddybarexxx okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football. And in week 2, we had ran for 139 and 174 yards; but I guess the NFL's official stats are misleading though dizzle88 likes this.

10-22-2014, 04:01 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ok okay if you all think that's enough rushing, go right ahead and keep lying to yourselves. That's right, we should run 80%-90% of the time... I bet they'd get 200+ yards rushing facing 8-9 in the box on every down. I wonder if our offense would be any better than #2 in the league that we are now? #2 and our offense needs to get better; how about our #21st ranked defense?!