Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

What is really scary is that this UDFA Dixon has seen waaaay more playing time than SJB. Sure Dixon has failed out there; he's a dang rookie DB...he's expected to fail against veteran NFL receivers and veteran NFL QBs.

The biggest failure is SJB...he's not even out on the freakin' field on nickle or dime. Dixon is apparently beating him out in practice, so to me that shows Dixon has better technique and a better grasp of the defense than SJB.

Now that is scary. SJB has so much more physical talent than Dixon, yet Dixon sees the field way, way more often. What does that say about SJB?

I'm guessing the players who have better practices throughout the week are the ones seeing the playing field. So far...Dixon > SJB. For shame.

Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy?

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy?

I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw.

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?

Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire.

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?

Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire.

agreed

Danno · 10-23-2014, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?.

The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race.

Other than that I don't see a downside.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race.

Other than that I don't see a downside.

If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway.

The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more.

As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol

Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon.

Danno · 10-23-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway.

The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more.

As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol

Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon.

You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can.

The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet.

I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now.

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can.

The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet.

I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now.

It was me that mentioned it, It's unclear who was at fault for the TD

SJB was lined up over the receiver and then stood there whilst he ran along the back line of the endzone, could have been the safeties job to cover that area as he came crashing down on the drag route along the goal line of the endzone

Once again, confusion in the secondary
It looked like SJB was expecting to cover the flats, when the WR scored he kinda just put his arms out like "who the hell was supposed to be there?"

Utah_Saint · 10-23-2014, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?

Get burnt for the game winning touchdown in the final two minutes of the game?

(just being a smart @55)

Barry from MS · 10-23-2014, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy?

I agree that SJB should be "The Guy" in there getting the experience and getting used to the speed of the NFL game. Like someone already stated, beat the rawness out of him with NFL snaps. Is the coaching staff scared to death with SJB being thrown to the fire and killing his confidence? If that's the case, his confidence should already be shot watching Dixon steal his snaps from the sidelines.

And we'll have to agree to disagree on who is better between Dixon & SJB. I'm basing my argument for Dixon being the better rookie CB only on which one of them is getting more regular season NFL snaps. I mean, seriously, shouldn't the coaches be playing the best personnel at each position to win NFL football games?

SJB is quickly becoming a bigger enigma than Erik "Bigfoot" Lorig on this roster...in my opinion, anyways.

10-23-2014, 02:15 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Barry from MS What is really scary is that this UDFA Dixon has seen waaaay more playing time than SJB. Sure Dixon has failed out there; he's a dang rookie DB...he's expected to fail against veteran NFL receivers and veteran NFL QBs. The biggest failure is SJB...he's not even out on the freakin' field on nickle or dime. Dixon is apparently beating him out in practice, so to me that shows Dixon has better technique and a better grasp of the defense than SJB. Now *that* is scary. SJB has so much more physical talent than Dixon, yet Dixon sees the field way, way more often. What does that say about SJB? I'm guessing the players who have better practices throughout the week are the ones seeing the playing field. So far...Dixon > SJB. For shame. Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy? Barry from MS likes this.

10-23-2014, 02:18 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy? I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw.

10-23-2014, 02:51 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by dizzle88 I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw. I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen? Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire. dizzle88 likes this.

10-23-2014, 03:02 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen? Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire. agreed Attached Thumbnails

10-23-2014, 04:40 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?. The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race. Other than that I don't see a downside. SaintFanInATLHELL, saintsfan1976, Barry from MS and 2 others like this.

10-23-2014, 05:35 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Danno The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race. Other than that I don't see a downside. If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway. The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more. As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon.

10-23-2014, 05:42 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway. The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more. As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon. You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can. The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet. I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now.

10-23-2014, 05:49 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,560	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Danno You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can. The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet. I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now. It was me that mentioned it, It's unclear who was at fault for the TD SJB was lined up over the receiver and then stood there whilst he ran along the back line of the endzone, could have been the safeties job to cover that area as he came crashing down on the drag route along the goal line of the endzone Once again, confusion in the secondary It looked like SJB was expecting to cover the flats, when the WR scored he kinda just put his arms out like "who the hell was supposed to be there?"

10-23-2014, 05:22 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen? Get burnt for the game winning touchdown in the final two minutes of the game? (just being a smart @55)

10-23-2014, 04:43 PM	#10
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy? I agree that SJB should be "The Guy" in there getting the experience and getting used to the speed of the NFL game. Like someone already stated, beat the rawness out of him with NFL snaps. Is the coaching staff scared to death with SJB being thrown to the fire and killing his confidence? If that's the case, his confidence should already be shot watching Dixon steal his snaps from the sidelines. And we'll have to agree to disagree on who is better between Dixon & SJB. I'm basing my argument for Dixon being the better rookie CB only on which one of them is getting more regular season NFL snaps. I mean, seriously, shouldn't the coaches be playing the best personnel at each position to win NFL football games? SJB is quickly becoming a bigger enigma than Erik "Bigfoot" Lorig on this roster...in my opinion, anyways.
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