Mannequin Defense

WHODATINCA · 10-26-2014, 11:02 PM

Um, the kind of defense that holds Aaron Rodgers and co to 23 points. Yeah. That kind.

Jack Vegas · 10-27-2014, 12:46 AM

Holy overreaction thread.

We were playing against Aaron Rodgers, did you really think he wasn't going to pick us apart? This wasn't some scrub offense. We played tough D in the red zone, held them to field goals and got some turnovers. That's all you can hope to do against a team like the Packers.

This is the one game so far this season where the soft zone philosophy on defense made a lot of sense. Rodgers is going to eat you alive no matter what you do, you might as well concede the easy stuff and pick your spots to force mistakes.

lumm0x · 10-27-2014, 09:43 AM

I have been disappointed with our defense all season and I am sure everyone has. But in carefully watching the games and plays my issues are not with the scheme at all. It's all in the execution and the basic fundamentals of the sport. Our guys can't tackle, can't shed blocks and can't cover. They take bad angles in pursuit and when they get there it's half hearted attempts at bringing the guy down. Even last night. I couldn't keep counting the number of times we had 4-5 guys play two hand touch with Lacy or a WR and watch him keep chugging.

We can't get pressure with our front 4 and that is an issue Ryan could work with pressure packages but again, with our issues in coverage and tackling it is likely to backfire. I think he is doing the right thing playing coverage zones until he starts to see evidence we can win the one on one matchups that allow for man or blitzing. He's handcuffed by a bunch of underachieving players in my opinion. Aside from Curtis Lofton I don't see anyone excelling at their craft.

K Major · 10-27-2014, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

It's all in the execution and the basic fundamentals of the sport. Our guys can't tackle, can't shed blocks and can't cover. They take bad angles in pursuit and when they get there it's half hearted attempts at bringing the guy down. Even last night. I couldn't keep counting the number of times we had 4-5 guys play two hand touch with Lacy or a WR and watch him keep chugging.

We can't get pressure with our front 4 and that is an issue Ryan could work with pressure packages but again, with our issues in coverage and tackling it is likely to backfire. I think he is doing the right thing playing coverage zones until he starts to see evidence we can win the one on one matchups that allow for man or blitzing. He's handcuffed by a bunch of underachieving players in my opinion. Aside from Curtis Lofton I don't see anyone excelling at their craft.

I see it as well. A little concerned with the lack of form tackling from Bush/Vacarro in space. On the tackle attempt by Bush on Lacy... why grab a guy up high who outweighs you by 25-30 lbs

? Also, Marcus Ball has not been as effective as I thought he would be at this point of the season. I would like to see more Edibaldi (sp) and Walker in the rotation going forward.

Agreed on Lofton, he has been solid thus far.

hagan714 · 10-27-2014, 11:19 AM

i love cover 2 or cloud 3 or cloud 4 defense or any prevent defense. it is so exciting to watch.

Seer1 · 10-27-2014, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i love cover 2 or cloud 3 or cloud 4 defense or any prevent defense. it is so exciting to watch.

If Drew's out on the field...

10-26-2014, 11:02 PM	#1
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Mannequin Defense Um, the kind of defense that holds Aaron Rodgers and co to 23 points. Yeah. That kind.

10-27-2014, 12:46 AM	#2
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Mannequin Defense Holy overreaction thread. We were playing against Aaron Rodgers, did you really think he wasn't going to pick us apart? This wasn't some scrub offense. We played tough D in the red zone, held them to field goals and got some turnovers. That's all you can hope to do against a team like the Packers. This is the one game so far this season where the soft zone philosophy on defense made a lot of sense. Rodgers is going to eat you alive no matter what you do, you might as well concede the easy stuff and pick your spots to force mistakes. K Major likes this.
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10-27-2014, 09:43 AM	#3
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Mannequin Defense I have been disappointed with our defense all season and I am sure everyone has. But in carefully watching the games and plays my issues are not with the scheme at all. It's all in the execution and the basic fundamentals of the sport. Our guys can't tackle, can't shed blocks and can't cover. They take bad angles in pursuit and when they get there it's half hearted attempts at bringing the guy down. Even last night. I couldn't keep counting the number of times we had 4-5 guys play two hand touch with Lacy or a WR and watch him keep chugging. We can't get pressure with our front 4 and that is an issue Ryan could work with pressure packages but again, with our issues in coverage and tackling it is likely to backfire. I think he is doing the right thing playing coverage zones until he starts to see evidence we can win the one on one matchups that allow for man or blitzing. He's handcuffed by a bunch of underachieving players in my opinion. Aside from Curtis Lofton I don't see anyone excelling at their craft. K Major likes this.

10-27-2014, 04:16 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,865 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mannequin Defense Originally Posted by lumm0x It's all in the execution and the basic fundamentals of the sport. Our guys can't tackle, can't shed blocks and can't cover. They take bad angles in pursuit and when they get there it's half hearted attempts at bringing the guy down. Even last night. I couldn't keep counting the number of times we had 4-5 guys play two hand touch with Lacy or a WR and watch him keep chugging. We can't get pressure with our front 4 and that is an issue Ryan could work with pressure packages but again, with our issues in coverage and tackling it is likely to backfire. I think he is doing the right thing playing coverage zones until he starts to see evidence we can win the one on one matchups that allow for man or blitzing. He's handcuffed by a bunch of underachieving players in my opinion. Aside from Curtis Lofton I don't see anyone excelling at their craft. I see it as well. A little concerned with the lack of form tackling from Bush/Vacarro in space. On the tackle attempt by Bush on Lacy... why grab a guy up high who outweighs you by 25-30 lbs? Also, Marcus Ball has not been as effective as I thought he would be at this point of the season. I would like to see more Edibaldi (sp) and Walker in the rotation going forward. Agreed on Lofton, he has been solid thus far. Barry from MS likes this.

10-27-2014, 11:19 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Mannequin Defense i love cover 2 or cloud 3 or cloud 4 defense or any prevent defense. it is so exciting to watch.

10-27-2014, 03:50 PM	#6
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Mannequin Defense Originally Posted by hagan714 i love cover 2 or cloud 3 or cloud 4 defense or any prevent defense. it is so exciting to watch. If Drew's out on the field...

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