My sincerest apology.....

darksoul35 · 11-02-2014, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

I don't think he'll ever return to what he looked like in past seasons, but I am also concerned about potentially overpaying him. If we abandon the committee system it might be worth keeping him, but if not, we probably need to part ways.

I hope we part ways with RBBC. We will be hard to beat in Madden if he keeps this up. Plus I kinda want another Superbowl as well. The run game takes so much pressure off Drew.

WHODATINCA · 11-03-2014, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I know the argument can be made that he didn't get enough touches before, he was unlucky with injuries and the O-line is finally handling run blocking better - BUT I'm extremely troubled when a player far exceeds his previous performances in a contract year.

I hope the Saints don't end up overpaying him to stay just to watch him become the RB of the past seasons.

I share this concern in general ( about players playing well in a contract year). Ingram started playing better last year, though. I like the idea of a premiere back and some additional celebrated versatile backs.

SaintsBro · 11-02-2014, 10:23 AM

I'm not interested in picking on anybody in particular but sometimes I think Saints fans can be a little impatient. I was just as annoyed as everybody else was, by Ingram coming in for one play and smacking into a wall of his own linemen for one yard...that got old really quick....but I KNEW there was something that Payton saw in it, I knew there was something there, that one yard and a cloud of dust wasn't what Ingram was brought here by Payton for....now we see it, now we know.

Also think of it this way....Ingram is taking off/peaking/catching fire, right as Pierre Thomas (although I love him) is starting to wind his career down.... I know fans want immediate results, and to some extent we should expect a certain amount of instant gratification, but from the very beginning I always felt like Mark Ingram was a draft pick made in 2011 with an eye three or four years out from that point, looking towards where we are RIGHT NOW in our running game, and the future going forward. It wasn't ever an instant-win proposition, but yeah, it sure started slow.

Tired of the endless parade of plug and play, fly-by-night, temp worker, barely-there Saints running backs like Mike Bell, Joique Bell, Aaron Stecker, Cadet, Lynell Hamilton, etc? Then Mark Ingram is your guy.

FinSaint · 11-02-2014, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Also think of it this way....Ingram is taking off/peaking/catching fire, right as Pierre Thomas (although I love him) is starting to wind his career down.... I know fans want immediate results, and to some extent we should expect a certain amount of instant gratification, but from the very beginning I always felt like Mark Ingram was a draft pick made in 2011 with an eye three or four years out from that point, looking towards where we are RIGHT NOW in our running game, and the future going forward. It wasn't ever an instant-win proposition, but yeah, it sure started slow.

For a 1st round pick who the Saints gave up a lot to get - I'd hope to get more out of him than really a season's worth before the said player hits the free agency.

If this was truly the FOs plan all along - they really need to rethink their approach to using their draft picks.

Jack Vegas · 11-02-2014, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

For a 1st round pick who the Saints gave up a lot to get - I'd hope to get more out of him than really a season's worth before the said player hits the free agency.

If this was truly the FOs plan all along - they really need to rethink their approach to using their draft picks.

Seconded. When you spent a first-round pick on a running back, you are expecting an immediate impact. When you trade up for a first-round guy, at any position, you are looking for an impact player.

Ingram took a little longer than most to become an NFL running back. Whatever reason for that, who knows. I'm just happy we're finally getting to see the Ingram we've always wanted to see. He's always shown flashes of it, but man this guy is fun to watch.

It's really not all that different from Reggie, who had just really started to turn the corner as a running back in the 2009 and 2010 seasons but we had to move on. That decision I would never argue with considering we traded it off for 3 years of Sproles in his prime. But Ingram, I think we must keep as long as it doesn't destroy the salary cap. We can cut bait with somebody like Hawthorne, or even Byrd to keep him if we need to.

blackangold · 11-03-2014, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

or even Byrd to keep him if we need to.

lol...

Cutting Byrd would destroy our cap for years to come due to the dead money. Also, Byrd is going to be a solid pro-bowler for us, he needs to get healthy.

Restructures of Colston, Evans, Grubbs along with cutting Bunkley/Hawthorne and extending Brees will not only free up cap space to sign Ingram but we might be able to bag a few more FAs for another superbowl push.

Jack Vegas · 11-03-2014, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

lol...

Cutting Byrd would destroy our cap for years to come due to the dead money.

Not years to come, just one year.

But I was mistaken, we can't cut him next year. We can cut him prior to the 2016 season and gain a $3.1 million cap savings. For some reason I was thinking a year ahead.

Regardless, the point is, if we want to keep Ingram and pay him what he's worth, it's very doable. It's not a foregone conclusion that he will leave in free agency.

jeanpierre · 11-03-2014, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

For a 1st round pick who the Saints gave up a lot to get - I'd hope to get more out of him than really a season's worth before the said player hits the free agency.

If this was truly the FOs plan all along - they really need to rethink their approach to using their draft picks.

As he was a first round pick, the Saints had an add'l one year option which they declined to exercise this past offseason...

He's in a prove it year and he's got the slight advantage heading into the offseason based on his current play; the injuries and the late start to his career is what's hindering him...

halloween 65 · 11-02-2014, 06:02 PM

I think he will be offered a reasonable contract. The RB's don't get all the money they use to.

|Mitch| · 11-02-2014, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I think he will be offered a reasonable contract. The RB's don't get all the money they use to.

He'll probably get more than what we can spend anyways

11-02-2014, 04:08 PM	#1
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by SaintLeonard I don't think he'll ever return to what he looked like in past seasons, but I am also concerned about potentially overpaying him. If we abandon the committee system it might be worth keeping him, but if not, we probably need to part ways. I hope we part ways with RBBC. We will be hard to beat in Madden if he keeps this up. Plus I kinda want another Superbowl as well. The run game takes so much pressure off Drew.
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11-03-2014, 02:30 PM	#2
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by FinSaint I know the argument can be made that he didn't get enough touches before, he was unlucky with injuries and the O-line is finally handling run blocking better - BUT I'm extremely troubled when a player far exceeds his previous performances in a contract year. I hope the Saints don't end up overpaying him to stay just to watch him become the RB of the past seasons. I share this concern in general ( about players playing well in a contract year). Ingram started playing better last year, though. I like the idea of a premiere back and some additional celebrated versatile backs.

11-02-2014, 10:23 AM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: My sincerest apology..... I'm not interested in picking on anybody in particular but sometimes I think Saints fans can be a little impatient. I was just as annoyed as everybody else was, by Ingram coming in for one play and smacking into a wall of his own linemen for one yard...that got old really quick....but I KNEW there was something that Payton saw in it, I knew there was something there, that one yard and a cloud of dust wasn't what Ingram was brought here by Payton for....now we see it, now we know. Also think of it this way....Ingram is taking off/peaking/catching fire, right as Pierre Thomas (although I love him) is starting to wind his career down.... I know fans want immediate results, and to some extent we should expect a certain amount of instant gratification, but from the very beginning I always felt like Mark Ingram was a draft pick made in 2011 with an eye three or four years out from that point, looking towards where we are RIGHT NOW in our running game, and the future going forward. It wasn't ever an instant-win proposition, but yeah, it sure started slow. Tired of the endless parade of plug and play, fly-by-night, temp worker, barely-there Saints running backs like Mike Bell, Joique Bell, Aaron Stecker, Cadet, Lynell Hamilton, etc? Then Mark Ingram is your guy. DrewDat likes this.

11-02-2014, 01:17 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by SaintsBro Also think of it this way....Ingram is taking off/peaking/catching fire, right as Pierre Thomas (although I love him) is starting to wind his career down.... I know fans want immediate results, and to some extent we should expect a certain amount of instant gratification, but from the very beginning I always felt like Mark Ingram was a draft pick made in 2011 with an eye three or four years out from that point, looking towards where we are RIGHT NOW in our running game, and the future going forward. It wasn't ever an instant-win proposition, but yeah, it sure started slow. For a 1st round pick who the Saints gave up a lot to get - I'd hope to get more out of him than really a season's worth before the said player hits the free agency. If this was truly the FOs plan all along - they really need to rethink their approach to using their draft picks. jeanpierre likes this.

11-02-2014, 10:56 PM	#5
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by FinSaint For a 1st round pick who the Saints gave up a lot to get - I'd hope to get more out of him than really a season's worth before the said player hits the free agency. If this was truly the FOs plan all along - they really need to rethink their approach to using their draft picks. Seconded. When you spent a first-round pick on a running back, you are expecting an immediate impact. When you trade up for a first-round guy, at any position, you are looking for an impact player. Ingram took a little longer than most to become an NFL running back. Whatever reason for that, who knows. I'm just happy we're finally getting to see the Ingram we've always wanted to see. He's always shown flashes of it, but man this guy is fun to watch. It's really not all that different from Reggie, who had just really started to turn the corner as a running back in the 2009 and 2010 seasons but we had to move on. That decision I would never argue with considering we traded it off for 3 years of Sproles in his prime. But Ingram, I think we must keep as long as it doesn't destroy the salary cap. We can cut bait with somebody like Hawthorne, or even Byrd to keep him if we need to.
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11-03-2014, 12:53 AM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by Jack Vegas or even Byrd to keep him if we need to. lol... Cutting Byrd would destroy our cap for years to come due to the dead money. Also, Byrd is going to be a solid pro-bowler for us, he needs to get healthy. Restructures of Colston, Evans, Grubbs along with cutting Bunkley/Hawthorne and extending Brees will not only free up cap space to sign Ingram but we might be able to bag a few more FAs for another superbowl push. Saintaintso likes this.

11-03-2014, 01:20 PM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by blackangold lol... Cutting Byrd would destroy our cap for years to come due to the dead money. Not years to come, just one year. But I was mistaken, we can't cut him next year. We can cut him prior to the 2016 season and gain a $3.1 million cap savings. For some reason I was thinking a year ahead. Regardless, the point is, if we want to keep Ingram and pay him what he's worth, it's very doable. It's not a foregone conclusion that he will leave in free agency.
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11-03-2014, 08:05 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by FinSaint For a 1st round pick who the Saints gave up a lot to get - I'd hope to get more out of him than really a season's worth before the said player hits the free agency. If this was truly the FOs plan all along - they really need to rethink their approach to using their draft picks. As he was a first round pick, the Saints had an add'l one year option which they declined to exercise this past offseason... He's in a prove it year and he's got the slight advantage heading into the offseason based on his current play; the injuries and the late start to his career is what's hindering him...

11-02-2014, 06:02 PM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: My sincerest apology..... I think he will be offered a reasonable contract. The RB's don't get all the money they use to.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: My sincerest apology..... Originally Posted by halloween 65 I think he will be offered a reasonable contract. The RB's don't get all the money they use to. He'll probably get more than what we can spend anyways

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