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Was watching the Giants @ Seahawks game...
Though the Giants ran out of gas on the road, they played tough... Particularly their Linebackers; then of course the Seattle Linebackers took the field... The speed of both teams Linebackers was out****ingstanding; closing corners, beating offensive linemen to nullify screen plays, even covering wide receivers (though on one play for the Giants that wasn't successful, even with the valiant, close effort)... It really drove home the point that some of us have been making that aside from Parys Haralson, our Linebackers are awful, horrible... Yeah, Galette has had recent success, but against what?!? Rookie Second Stringers?!? In truth, after this season, I'd blow up the whole lot of the LB corps and start over... In fact, I'd start playing the younger guys now for a tryout... Immediately after the season, EVEN IF WE RAN THE TABLE, I'd discharge the weighted contracts of Lofton, Hawthorne... Move Galette's contract if that's possible; or bite the bullet and put him in a time share with Kasim Edebali, who's speed is aging, wasted on the bench... Then I'd tell Joe Vitt we need him to focus more on quality control with regards to jockstraps as we need a coach at that position; I'd even reach out to Dennis Allen... And I put Loomis and the other bean counters who thought signing Galette to this current debacle was a good idea on notice... The defensive line got it done last year, but it takes a front seven to CONSISTENTLY apply pressure no matter the opponent... The LineBacking Corps is more embarrassing than Brees Turnovers... |
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I'd say Ramon Humber is definitely better than Hawthorne at this point
You watch the between the tackles runs that gore was getting like 8 yards on, our front 7 cannot get off blocks, they just get pushed around and somebody from the secondary has to come up and make the tackle Galette is one dimensional, if he doesn't get his guy on the first attempt he will pretty much give up and he loses contain too much You see that Borland guy for the 9ers, undrafted rookie flying around making 18 tackles a game Lofton is a decent tackler but he is in no way dominant, he's nothing compared to the 2008-2009 Jon Vilma. I just don't understand why Brees has become so turnover happy these past few seasons, he's making decisions that a rookie would be annoyed about Then after the game all we are hearing is " uhh the loss is on me" Play calling was poor at the end, defense let us down in dying moments, Brees making dumb decisions put us in a hole. |
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Lofton and Humber are playing well in the middle. The 49ers simply ran the ball at JR. He's a situational pass rush specialist that isn't that special. All I saw out of PH was a penalty. Throw Powell out there and see what he's got. Also, Sunseri needs to see some snaps on D.
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So basically we need to do what Ozzie Newsome did to his team? Worked out well for the Ravens. My frustration lies with the inconsistency of an effective pass rush. I agree, its time to start playing the younger guys .. Powell, Sunseri, Dixon. etc. We must do a better job of drafting linebackers in the 2015 draft. Side note - watching that blown coverage with K Vacarro on 4th and 10 is hard to swallow. Football is part mental and some of our guys are just flat out lost right now :rolleyes:. |
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Lofton has been consistent and a pretty good force in the run game and decent in the pass. He is a thumper plain and simple...
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I'm not even going to get started on the lb.'s, I've said the same thing for a few years but I will say again Joe Vitt needs to go, bring in 1 that has a proven record of developing a lb. core that is good year after year.
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None of our LB's are special. Humber isn't good in coverage, he's a mediocre back-up with an occasional splash play.
Lofton is probably a middle of the road MLB, but we're paying him top 10 money. Galette doesn't play LB, he's a pass rush DE. Hawthorne or Haralson are our most well rounded LB, which says a lot about the group as a whole. Sad. |
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You liked the giants LBs... Who happened to give up 300+ yards rushing?
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The guy that could've been had in last years draft is Aaron Lynch, DAMN!!!
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Surely there is a college coach who knows how to develop LB'ers. Vitt ain't that guy unfortunately.
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I think the problem is drafting more than it is coaching.
Every FA LB we signed comes here and plays about the same as they did with their other team (Lofton, Hawthorne, Vilma, Haralson, Shanle). Every LB that left here for another team ends up playing about the same as when they were here (Dunbar, Casillas, Fujita). |
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JR and Jordan are the only ones getting pressure. Our biggest problem on D this year comes from the DT/NT position. No push is being generated in the middle, Hicks has been complete **** this year and everyone else is worse than him at rushing the QB. If you pay attention you can see a rotation of DTs through the game on passing downs, this is because none of them are getting it done.
Hicks is my most disappointing player for the year right now. Bunkley has never been a pass rusher. I am afraid we don't have an in house solution to this problem. Imagine how well our D would be doing with Suh or McCoy in the middle pushing the pocket and setting up Cam/JR... Seriously watch the game tape... no push in the middle and the QB can step up freely 90% of the time. |
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Who did Payton put in charge during the 2012 season? Vitt... lol lol lol We all know Vitt is not capable of being anything more than a tit sucker. RR should have been free to bring his own guys in. |
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But it was there effort and assignments (covering not just RBs, TEs, but WRs) and speed that was most impressive... |
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sorry everyone yells about players and assistance coaches but why in the world does everyone leave the one person who is truly responsible for this mess. The staff and players are the responsibility of one person ROB RYAN
Why does every one leave ROB out of this topic. Love drinking with the guy? his defense has not done anything since the bye week of last year. get some guts and go after the person you should be head hunting for. |
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Did you know:
Tom Johnson is ranked 2nd with 5.5 sacks this season for DTs... lol Great talent evaluation from Loomis once again. |
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...and he's making vet minimum of about 850K/yr. |
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The point I was trying to make was that Johnson is making as much as the Saints' long-snapper - not that 850K/yr isn't a lot of money to us commoners. |
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You guys don't like Tyrunn Walker? He's playing pretty well.
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Neaux, Fin, I understood/agree with your point, and I totally get where you were going... I was just pointing to another irony in the whole confounded situation... |
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'76, you're damn straight, Skippy... He's the only guy I've seen who can actually Bull Rush a non-Rookie, non-Backup Offensive Lineman... He and Edebali should be given at least 12+ more snaps per game... |
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Wouldn't mind seeing Vic Fangio back when the 49ers implode and Harbaugh gets committed to an Asylum. Love to see Vic reincarnate
a modern day Dome Patrol. |
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It'll be LSU, Florida, or Tennessee, or maybe Georgia... He'll probably get out of his San Fran gig and go to another NFL city... Back to the Saints Linebackers, we definitely need to start with a modern NFL Linebacker coach who can BOTH Assess talent and develop same... We have Coach Johnson (Reference: North Dallas Forty)... |
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In no way is this an absolute measurement of what a good linebacker is; simply another viewpoint regarding the linebacking personnel...
When you look at the measurables, athleticism of our linebackers, only three are of a good size 34 linebacker, and only one of those has the quickness, speed to operate in space and he's on special teams... Todd Davis, 6' 1", 230 Kasim Edebali, 6' 2", 253 Junior Galette, 6' 2", 258 Parys Haralson, 6' 0", 255 David Hawthorne, 6' 0", 246 Ramon Humber, 5' 11", 232 Kyle Knox, 6' 1", 220 Curtis Lofton, 6' 0", 241 Ronald Powell, 6' 3", 237 When you look at the better linebackers in those formations, their taller (6'2" - 6'4"), leaner (235lbs-247lbs)... Yes, I was a huge fan of the Dome Patrol and I know Sam Mills was 5'10" on a good day; but his complements, Jackson (6' 2"), Johnson (6' 3") and Swilling (6' 3") were 34 prototypical size... Am researching our current linebackers measurables in space (i.e. 3cone, shuttle)... As far as game tape, our starters instincts suck, with the exception of Parys Haralson, who's success is due more to his instincts/experience than his lack of athleticism... Really trying to see why we're continually missing in our scouting of securing playing speed among our linebackers... |
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Our problem is we pay the wrong people too much money on defense
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He's a one trick, undersized pass rusher - the opposite of a Hawthorne who's a two-down thumper... So why are we paying him three down money?!? Sarcasm aside, I know he plays three downs, but he gives up waaay too much rushing yardage because he's singularly focused on sacks... And wha't more frustrating about Galette is how limited he seems to be in effective pass-rush moves; other than speed rushing inexperienced linemen, he really has nothing... |
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Wish we could get 9ers D coordinator
They consistently have a top 10 D every year |
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