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Worst ranked safety in the entire NFL. Thats so disappointing

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DAMN

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It is disappointing, I don't see how they can pin all the blame for that play on him though. Crabtree was Corey White's man to cover. I'm no coach or anything of the sort so I don't know what corners are taught in that situation. Me personally, I would have stayed on my receiver unless or until it became clear that crappydick was running. Seemed like the entire D wasn't sure how to play that one.

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Disappointing yes, but I hope KV is wiling to put in the necessary work, film study and discipline to get better at the position. Right now he is lost.

Next big test is Cincy and their wide receivers will challenge him.

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Dungy broke it down, Cover 2 zone, Vaccaro was supposed to be deep, White stayed in his zone and ran over to cover Davis.

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The Film Don't Lie: Saints - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

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4 games by 3 points or less. Damn...

Leading all 4 with 2 minutes remaining. Damn.....

Repeated turnovers & breakdowns. Damn............

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For the SB run everything seemed to go our way....this year,well,not so much.It's hard not to feel like this just isn't our year. The good news is our problems are fixable,the bad news is we are in week 10 and the same BS is still biting us in the a$$.

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Wow,back to square one. Sophomore slump maybe?

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I think Kenny needs more than a 5 Minute oil change

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Sophmore slump, it's been highly documented as a fact...

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KVac needs to get his butt into some advanced film study & work harder with the defensive playbook. Dude has all the physical talents...he just looks lost at times and misses too many tackles for a freakin' strong safety. It happens with overly-talented prospects...they've relied on just their raw physical talents their entire football lives to succeed.

Now NFL OC's & NFL QB's are picking him apart. If you're in the wrong place blowing coverages & missing tackles in the NFL, it really doesn't matter how fast your 40 is or how high you can jump.

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Does anybody remember how well he played last year? Is it his fault? Or is it Ryans fault for putting him in less than favorable conditions? Somebody fix the problem and let's get back the great safety play from last year.

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He played OK last year, but he still had several bad games. He was also that 3rd safety that roamed the field. Now he’s got more deep cover zone than before.

He’s worse this year than last, but he wasn’t great last year. He looked promising.

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It's all mental. I've heard from some friends in NOLA that say Kenny thinks his crap doesn't stink when out in public. Maybe a little humble pie being called out by the NBC Yoda and given the worst safety ranking might bring him back down to earth and he studies and prepares better for games. The talent is there, he just needs to understand the playbook.

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NBC Yoda. lmao

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Don't you think there's some resemblance?

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Maybe we should play Sunseri and bring KVac in as a 3rd safety until that sophomore slump is over?:twisted:

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We haven't seen much of the three safety this year; that would be ideal... Bush, Sunseri/Ball, with Vaccaro roaming the LOS; just like last year

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I like this a lot.

KV needs to see some repercussions for his trashy play and putting him in the 3rd safety role is clearly where he belongs anyway.

Seriously hope something like this happens before the season is gone and KV ends up a bust. First round draft picks shouldn't end up being the worst at their positions...

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When contain gets broken players begin to come up and try to make a play. That's the threat of a running quarterback.

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True.

But KV is the worst safety in the league for the season, not just that one awful play. I won't defend him, because as Danno knows I was hard on Jenkins/Harper when they were with us... well right now I wouldn't mind having them back.

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Lofton is also the "worst" LB according to PFF. That's not accurate.

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FFS do we need to split hairs on everything...

So what are you saying? KV might be the worst or he might not, or maybe he is the second worst... ****

All I know is he is playing like ****, don't need PFF to tell me that.

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You need to give a few more hints to what **** means. Is it s**t or f**k? Son of a f***in b**ch I'm so confused...

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Ideally, I'd like to see this happen as well. At the same time, he forgot how to tackle to rendering him pretty damn useless in all aspects.

Send his ass home to his momma's house so he can get a nice home cooked meal and get his mind right. Start Sunseri for a game and re-evaluate from there. He needs to get out of his own head and his mind off of football imo.

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You're calling him the "worst safety in the league". It's simply not true - whether you got it from PFF or not.

I'm saying PFF is wrong also.

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PFF is as legit as Madden ratings.

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I like the idea with the exception of Ball. He hasn't exactly lit it up as I thought he would. As for Sunseri, let the kid play more. He is bright and has a very high football IQ.

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They had a blown coverage assignment on a 28-yard pass in the final seconds at Cleveland in Week 2. They had a series of missed tackles on Golden Tate's 73-yard touchdown catch in the final minutes at Detroit in Week 7. Then they got burned by San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick's big arm when they left Michael Crabtree wide open for a 51-yard catch on a fourth-and-10 play this past Sunday (click here for an extensive breakdown).

Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro was the deep safety who decided to roll his coverage to the middle of the field instead of staying back on Crabtree. After watching the tape, Vaccaro admitted Monday that if he could redo it, maybe he would have stayed deeper. But he disagreed with TV analyst Tony Dungy, whom Vaccaro said called him "undisciplined."

"When a guy rolls out, we're taught as safeties, you gotta roll with him. And he was at the far sideline. … Once he shuts down half the field, we close half the field. He just has a cannon, that's it," explained Vaccaro, who said he decided to run up on tight end Vernon Davis in the middle of the field instead because he considered him a bigger threat and had seen Kaepernick make a similar throw on film.

sounds all good and everything except one thing.

worth repeating

"When a guy rolls out, we're taught as safeties, you gotta roll with him. And he was at the far sideline

Kenny bud, you were the last saint on the opposite side of the field. all that other crap does not cut it. you blew it simple and plan. you were responsible for the last line defense to the side he rolled too. from that side of the field deep is were you should have been.

you were too cut him off at the goal line from your position when the play unfolded. not chase Kap or Davis down the field. which by the way you would never have caught because you are not fast enough. you bailed and to make matters worse you gave up any angle of pursuit advantage you may have had.

you blew it. end of story

As who to blame? depends. When we drafted Kenny it was not for his coverage skills or his ability to be a true SS in the NFL. draft over hype? that was not his role in college and that by all odds will never be his role on this team unless we see major changes in his play. he is last for a reason

question is what to do with him?

i guess we ride the horse to the end and see what develops. then decide in the off season. maybe another of our many SS can step up and we can go back to using Kenny at what he does best. A pest all over the field. which in my opinion he maybe one of the best in the NFL at driving players crazy.

Rob Ryan does not escape this one. this is his #1 pick to fit this scheme. he needs to make this work and stop this down hill slide the saints defense is on since the bye week of last year. injuries are no excuse at this point.

IMO use him like you did last year. he is great at it.

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For the first time in history, I actually agree with Tony Dungy

Vaccaro is undisciplined, I don't give a crap if Vaccaro disagrees with that assessment

Disciplined players don't make that back breaking mistake he made

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You don't stay back when a QB breaks contain. Kap is one of the only QB's who can even physically make that throw.

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Maybe KV under estimated Kap's arm strength, no?

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This is perfect. KVac eats some humility while Sunseri plays his position.

Vinnie is a worker, a great tackler, and looked pretty decent in pass coverage. Smart as all get-out, too. Give the kid a shot.

I honestly think Vinnie could also be a leader (even as a rookie) that this secondary needs out there.

Beginning to suspect KVac has got prima donna syndrome and a bit of a diva.

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To me I think there's an issue with coaching. Will he recover? Probably. He's a good player, just has to get back into the groove of things. I think he just rode his own hype going into the season. He's young, he has time to learn.

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All whats being said is true , no ifs ands or butts. Now here this it aint over this could turn around and crap may start falling in our hands i just feel it. We are still in it.

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where would Jarius Bird have been on the play?

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For as much crap as people give Byrd he played well for 4 games. No he didn't have any picks but he did have 25 tackles in 4 games and our only turnover. Our defense was complete trash when he was playing, i think if we had him now he would be great.

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Probably in the right formation. That 4th and 10 conversion due to the KV blunder turned a W into a L.

Not ready to give up on the kid just yet though.

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Has he been the same player since he went out with that head injury last year? Maybe it changed the way he plays for the worse.