Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 624348)

I think we have a very good team with a lot of talent. I think the real problem could be coaching on both sides of the ball. Maybe other teams are finally starting to figure Payton out. I happen to catch the games on the radio often when I cant be in front of the tv, and its becoming pretty common for the announcers to call out plays before they happen or mention tendencies of our playcalling.

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 624441)

All teams get figured out. Some times it takes awhile. Greatest show on turf(Rams) Air Coreal(San Diego) 2009-2011 Saints the reason I give examples of these teams they have 1 thing in common, the defense was not really that good. I still believe that defense wins championships and without 1 that is actually good( the steel curtain, Tampa Bay, Dallas,) all back in the day those teams were tough to get by on gameday and all but Tampa were dynasty teams, look at San Fran with Montana thet had good D to go with the west coast O. The 2011 Saints O was as good of an O that I ever got to see in my life, just imagine if we had a good D to go along with that firepower. I do believe we are figured out and to overcome we must have a dominate defense if we go any farther than we have since 09.

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 624447)

i agree, with the exception of this. in regards to you saying all teams get figured out and you mention the rams, they won what, two superbowls before getting figured out? idk anything about san diego. also you have to remember during those days where the steel curtain, tampa, and dallas defenses were good/great they were able to play DEFENSE. meaning that we didnt have these chippy calls we see today. receivers actually had to fight for catches, unlike today the defenders basically has to run down field with a reciever and hopes to make a play and oh by the way the receiver gets away with a push here and there to get separation (with the exception of the hail mary jg got). you actually could put a hit on the qb without seeing a flag coming out saying you're roughing the passer. also offenses ran the ball more than they do today. i mean i can go on and on but today's defense is no where near yester-year's defenses were because the rules have changed. the nfl has geared more towards making this about the offense and not the defense. when i grew up you always had defensive guys getting mvp's and honors. who are those guys today? the only position we love giving those honors too is the qb, then the wr, and if your rb isnt approaching breaking eric dickerson record the rb isnt respected. so i do agree defense win games but under today's rules you have to win on offense. too many times i see defenses lose the game. the only time i see anything differently is when you have a bone headed play by the qb trying to squeeze a pass between tripple coverage. other than that we're unfortunately in this "win on offense era".

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 624447)

i agree, with the exception of this. in regards to you saying all teams get figured out and you mention the rams, they won what, two superbowls before getting figured out? idk anything about san diego. also you have to remember during those days where the steel curtain, tampa, and dallas defenses were good/great they were able to play DEFENSE. meaning that we didnt have these chippy calls we see today. receivers actually had to fight for catches, unlike today the defenders basically has to run down field with a reciever and hopes to make a play and oh by the way the receiver gets away with a push here and there to get separation (with the exception of the hail mary jg got). you actually could put a hit on the qb without seeing a flag coming out saying you're roughing the passer. also offenses ran the ball more than they do today. i mean i can go on and on but today's defense is no where near yester-year's defenses were because the rules have changed. the nfl has geared more towards making this about the offense and not the defense. when i grew up you always had defensive guys getting mvp's and honors. who are those guys today? the only position we love giving those honors too is the qb, then the wr, and if your rb isnt approaching breaking eric dickerson record the rb isnt respected. so i do agree defense win games but under today's rules you have to win on offense. too many times i see defenses lose the game. the only time i see anything differently is when you have a bone headed play by the qb trying to squeeze a pass between tripple coverage. other than that we're unfortunately in this "win on offense era".