Should heads roll?
 

We've witnessed about every type of performance imaginable from this Saints team in 2014.

Today vs Cincinnati IMO was by far the worst.

Injuries aren't an excuse.

Really leaves me wondering if this team has anything left to win their division.

Does anyone think coaches lose their jobs?

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On defense, yes. All of them

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Ryan maybe. Not because of poor perfomance but some heated moments with Payton.

Payton's pals are not going anywhere. Sadly

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Doesn't matter, the next coach/gm would inherit a laundry list of financial trouble...

We could end up like the Raiders from a few years ago to a lesser extent, too much cap tied up to properly rebuild...

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Our defense isn't half as bad as This Forum concludes. Sean Payton Can't Muster up more than 10 points at home ? How's that Ryans Fault ? This Offense has handed away 4 games single handedly.

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Another 3rd and forever. We fail again. let the season play out.

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Are you serious? The Bengals converted 9 of 13 third downs, you can't get much worse... 186 rushing yards we gave up to...

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The defense is bad but the offense is trending down.

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Very true. Our offense gets a pass when our Secondary is beatup. This high priced/high performance offense needs to put up alot of points. But instead we put up 10 points and then blame the defense??

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As bad as the defense is, and yeah they are terrible....the offense put 10 points up against the worst D in football

The whole team deserves blame, Not a fan of Payton or Rob Ryan anymore

I think they both need to be let go.

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I don't think anyone here will give the offense a pass. Cincy D flat out came to play today. Our O line was man-handled all day.

But the defense had chances to make plays but instead laid down.

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No one said the offense wasn't bad today, but this defense is absolutely horrible. And they've been horrible for most of the season, not just a few games

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Heads absolutely need to roll! As sad as I am to say it........Payton might be the one that needs to go after watching today's debacle! No urgency, horrid clock management, and a Coach that is supposedly Offensive minded.....let's connect the dots.......

This is a very sad day for a Saints fan!

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Defense had many chances to get them off the field on third downs which would have given our offense good field position. What did they do; allow them to systematically move the ball down the field for scores...

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Andy.

Freekin'.

Dalton.

My god.....

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He isn't saying the D is good.

The D is completely trash but this offense gas been just almost as bad.

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Ryan fault is that the defense let them score on every possession in 1st half and convert 9/13 3rd downs

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Anyone wondering why the defense is rubbish just needs to look at the cap difference

Total Cap Number: $131,009,963
(Top 51: $123,720,425)
Offense: $69,044,310
Defense: $35,605,070
Special: $4,665,000

The defense cap goes up next year but mostly on one of the worst contracts in the NFL,Juniors 12.5ml roster bonus. Its gaurenteed money too

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Start TL at center and get some defensive coaches. Does not just fall on the DC, but all the coaches on the defensive side of the ball.

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And one stop was a kneel down.

Most of their 3rd down conversions were 3rd and long too.

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By cap numbers

We have the 8th highest spending on the o-line with two players eating up most of it.

16th highest spending on WR,though are best two are o rookie deals

27th highestest paid D-line

22nd LB

22nd CB


As things stand next year

1st QB
13th WR
2nd TE
11th O-Line

total offenseive cap 1st 83ml
With Brees,Evans,Grubbs and Colston eating over 45ml in cap

4th D-line
12th LB
1st Safety
22nd CB

4th overall defense

All them back loaded deals going to blow any chance a rebuild till 2016,or they will just extend and back load them more and more

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We're TOAST

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Payton gives play-calling duties to OC Carmichael so Payton can concentrate on trying to extinguish what is becoming a dumpster fire for this "team".

A personnel move that I think would benefit this offense is that Goodwin sits and watches Lelito until the end of the season.

The defense? Ugh...where to start?

And on a personal note, I'd love, love, love to see that glue-sniffing moron McMahon sent packing and give the Special Teams unit a coordinator who knows what the crap they're doing.

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The piper had to be paid sooner or later ...

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Dizz I love ya, but they were the worst d because they were fairly banged up. They are getting a bit more healthy, so try to calm down a bit.

That said, the offense looked like **** today and the main reason is our oline.

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They were ready. 1st down obvious runs didn't fool anyone.

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McMahon couldn't do anything with Sproles last year and yet he is a return machine in Philly. wtf?

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The o line sucked and we couldn't run the ball but the pass protection was there for most of the day. Payton with his play calling and game management lost this from the offensive side. Why wasn't Drew in no huddle in the 4th qtr. Down by 3 scores and no sense of urgency. I think payton has lost the team because they aren't responding to him. Payton's play calling has been predictable all season.

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We are horrible in all aspects of the game this year. Its no secret that since 2006 we have relied on the offense to carry this team even during the superbowl year. Now...you don't know what you are going to get from our offense. It doesn't surprise me though...we don't strike fear in even the worse defenses. We have no deep threat...our highest ypc this year is Meachem with 17. We used to put up 40 at home...

Special teams...what the hell....he has to be the worst coach ever! We have no return game at all...

Defense...get your heads out the ground!!! They can't pressure the QB...I don't know what our safeties do but it has nothing to do with making a play....i can't tell you how many times I've seen Vaccaro standing flat footed only to watch the ball fall at his feet.

We just look like an team with no identity...no drive...I don't know where we go from here but we need an overhaul from top to bottom...

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In all fairness the lack of the deep ball has more to do with our line not providing enough time, so we dinks it and dunks it. When they played their best we took some shots down the field again.

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Games like this where the offense isn't working our Defense should step up

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Yup. And Cooks will not fair any better than Sproles did here returning punts.

If any one thinks that there's nothing complicated about special teams as far as coverage & returns does not appreciate this crucial phase of all football games. It's not just a bunch of guys running aimlessly at full speed looking to clobber someone.

Our return game is crap...and has been for the longest time. Our coverage teams are crap...and has been for the longest time. If someone could tell me the last punt and/or FG we've blocked I'd sure like to know...you'd have to use the Dewey Decimal system to find it. We make ZERO big plays on special teams. Hell, we make ZERO above average plays on special teams.

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That's true to a certain extent...most of these crossing routes take just as long as a seam route or a post...3 to 4 seconds. The line did a decent job today with the pass blocking but the run blocking was horrible....no push...the deep ball has been non existent except for one or two games this year

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I can't say anything negative. I've been told for a long time that our coaches and front office are geniuses. So I can only conclude that there must be a brilliant plan behind all of the awfulness. Good job guys.

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This falls on Payton, PERIOD. The past two seasons plus this year we are 22-20. Most average pro coaches can coach a five hundred team. Most of the players on Defense are the guys that the coaches wanted, LB's and DL anyway. The only two guys on the D that weren't starters since day one are Safety and CB. Our Draft this year stunk. One impact player, ONE! All coaching and being able to evaluate talent.

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We haven't had a good draft in years

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That is the part that has to change.Along with some coaching changes, Vitt, Johnson, McNothing and the secondary coach. Payton has got to get some nuts and let them go before he gets fired!!

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In a way its like 2005 where we were helpless.

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More like 07 and 08. We had some high hopes those years but failed to deliver big time. Payton will find his scapegoat again and next year we will have a new DC as the cycle repeats itself over and over. Drafting bad players and blaming the DC for the job... but guess what, vitt and mc**** have been here the whole time and still get a pay check. ..