So if you could make the decision
 

Would you fire RR, and if so who would you replace him with.

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I can't believe how bad we are defensively. It's like sometimes we have no second or third level on defense. We couldn't tackle Ray Charles rolling through our defensive line in a wheel chair. Now would I fire Ryan? No. We had such a terrific year last season I'd give him a pass and hope this monstrosity is an anomaly.

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I would fire him and try to get the LBer coach for the 49ers. The entire defensive staff needs to go as well.

Rob's biggest problem is not being able to correct the same mistakes being made over and over and over... Making mistakes is nothing new but repeating the same mistakes over 12 weeks is a problem that is bigger than the players.

The players need to be cleaned out as well. Anyone that wouldn't cause too much dead money needs to go. The keepers on D: Lewis, Byrd, Bush, Lofton and JR.

I would also love to see Carmichael take over play calling.

EDIT: Grammar... too dang early

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It's a hard call to make. Rob Ryan is a great guy and a real players-coach. I think our guys were so fired up by how much of a breath of fresh air he was last season that they greatly overachieved and made it look like our defense was perfectly fine. But now the shine has worn off... Giving players animal alter ego's and introducing assistant coaches with rap music in meetings isn't so motivational anymore.

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I am not sure he deserves to get fired, but I think it's coming. I am not 100 percent sure how the Saints operate, but it's safe to assume he did not make the decision to sign a free agent safety for a billion dollars, or address the glaring weakness at CB with a guy who can no longer play, I doubt he started teaching his players how to not tackle, or tell his team that it is okay to give up big plays on a regular basis when the game is on the line...

I agree with you blackandgold that there is a big issue with lack of adjustments...

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All the defensive position coaches need to be fired....all of them. Let Ryan bring in who he want and not just roll with Payton's boys...we aren't developing anyone on the defensive side of the ball!!! That starts with the position coaches.

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I just simply think we don't have the personnel to run an NFL defense for 4 quarters. I also think our defenders are in poor shape, especially on the d-line. Compared to almost every other NFL team, our defensive line looks small-armed, lacking muscle, and our DB's looked gassed by the 4th quarter.

We just don't have the personnel to run a 4 quarter defense.

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Look at Seattle,constant rotation on the line.Same with Baltimore,Upshaw on run plays ummerville stays fresh too rush.We ave the same front three and 4 linebackers most plays

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At this stage in the season we would achieve nothing by firing Ryan. I don't really think he's done anything to blame. Our defense clearly overachieved last year by a huge margin and we were naive to expect the same results this year. But with that said, having regressed to a top 15 defense was a realistic expectation. And we have failed to achieve that.

We can't give a pass for injuries because our injuries have come for the most part long after we looked atrocious. But every time I watch the games I am never screaming about the scheme being the problem. I seldom am upset when we blitz, when we go man coverage or when we go to zone coverage. It is almost never what defense we are playing but how our personnel executes. Almost to a man we take horrible angles, make half hearted attempts at tackles, lineman getting washed out in blocks, or DB's just getting out maneuvered by receivers. Our guys just can't play a single play as a unit with effort, consistency and fundamentals. Someone on every play is taking the play off or making atrocious errors. Maybe that is coaching but some onus needs to fall upon the players themselves to be accountable.

The problem is no one is being accountable. Every press conference is "we gotta fix things" but no one has any answers.

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The majority of the D needs upgrading. Our D-backs just got abused in man coverage, losing Bunkley left a huge lane up the middle, but it was good to at least see a much improved "effort" from last week. This Saints team still wins the division if they put the same effort out.

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Please tell me what coach out there today can physically put someone in position and physically make them "make" a play?
Please tell me what coach can make grown ass men hit and wrap up runners and conduct proper tackles taught in pee wee league.
The problem isn't RR... It all starts up front and pressure or lack there of

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Steve Smith said he was a"misfit" at Carolina because he was too passionate and physical in his play and in his attitude. He went to the Ravens and he says he fits right in with them and how they play.

We are getting run over, around, through and there is no fire or passion in the team, they are all fat and asleep. More money wont solve the problem.

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No. The whole organization top to bottom is to blame. Plus, it's what happens within the salary cap. If you don't hit in the draft AND you miss in free agency, it's just not going to be pretty. Byrd was a miss. Bailey and the #2 CB was a BIG miss. While Cooks is a very good football player, he will never be a #1WR in the NFL, and the Saints should have drafted a CB in the first. SJB was a miss. To not even see the field given the horrible state of the CB play, is not good. Payton's refusal to hand the ball off more, especially when it has been working, is just bad coaching. To run a 3-4 scheme and not have an OLB on the roster that could start anywhere else is mind boggling. Not being able to tackle at all is bad, BAD coaching and really piss poor effort on part of the players. I fear Vaccaro has regressed because of the concussions. He played with reckless abandon last year, and sadly he was approaching the danger zone with his career due to head injuries. The one thing I will say about RR is the defense, and the team as a whole, is probably the worst I've seen at not making gametime adjustments, which to the untrained eye looks like no adjustments at all. Bad front office work. Bad coaching. Bad effort and execution. 4-7.

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Would I fire RR...lets put it this way, he would have had to catch a cab home last night and his personal belongings would be on his doorstep.

Who would I replace him with, Rex Ryan.

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I'll make it very simple - miss the playoffs and RR is gone. Make the playoffs and RR gets another year.

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Payton and Ryan don't seem to be on the same page. So, yeah I think he's gone after the season. I would certainly turn a heavy eye to the college ranks looking for asst. coaches. We were effective bringing in good coaches when Payton took over. Well, those guys are gone and their replacements aren't getting the job done. Loomis needs to hire someone knowledgeable at filling position coaches duties.

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We can make the playoffs at 6-10... our defense will still suck and were one and done. The only thing we get for going to the playoffs is a ****ty draft pick.

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Others will know better than me but if you want to look at college DC

Brent Venables, Clemson
Jeremy Pruitt, Georgia
Pat Narduzzi, Michigan State

Or look close to home at a man that keeps putting top players in the league
John Chavis, LSU

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What about our OL coach? There's an opportunity to upgrade.
Not happy with any of our defensive coaches. Some have been in place too long. We need some eager beavers, who bring energy to the coaching staff. Does Drew miss Joe Lombardi? Has he lost some of his edge?

No matter what you may think of Bill Belicheck he & Brady continue to find ways to win. And after a 2-2 start they currently hold the #1 seed in the AFC.

The Saints never seem to be able to fight their way out of a bad situation. They don't scratch or claw back when the chips are down. They seem too comfortable with loosing. They are just not competitive.

Maybe they can manage one more win but good draft position.

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John Chavis's name better be on Payton's short list!

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The roster is full of mental midgets

After the Smith-Vaccaro blow up the team got hot for a few plays and then as soon as they were exposed went back in there shell


Who is the emotional leader on the team?
To much finesse,get me some mean,tough SOB's on the line