SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10

12-07-2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

C - Lelito
G - both can play another year or two with Lelito at center
DT - agree 100% that we need ONE more
CB #2 - agree 100%
ILB - agree 100% we need ONE more

Coaches - not all need to go.

So that's an impact DT and ILB to go along with CB. Totally do-able.

Where's my chicken?

Forgot you were the end-all-be-all of saints fans, my bad, ill just take your opinion for fact because you say so...

Lelito is good enough at center but you're overvaluing our Guards, both have let age catch them and as the season has gone on they look a few steps away from retirement.

blackangold · 12-07-2014, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If he was wearing 41 people would be saying harpers having his worst season ever. Worst safety in the NFL and I think he was replaced with Sanford in the 2nd half.

Don't think he should be playing either Danno... it's a shame but Byrd and Bush should be the starters next year. KV might be good at the NB spot if he is lucky. This year has changed my opinion of him. The only thing he has going for him is heart, he is not one to give up.

AllSaints · 12-07-2014, 08:11 PM

I don't understand the people that still say of we have a chance... yeah to go to the playoffs oh yes what a accomplishment with the worst Saints team in the Payton era... Nothing to feel good about... 1 and done... and please don't throw the home field advantage at me I will just start laughing out loud....

saintsfan1976 · 12-07-2014, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Forgot you were the end-all-be-all of saints fans, my bad, ill just take your opinion for fact because you say so...

Seems you handle opinions the same way you handle losses... Never, have I ever given that impression here.

Originally Posted by blackangold

Lelito is good enough at center but you're overvaluing our Guards, both have let age catch them and as the season has gone on they look a few steps away from retirement.

Both can play another year. That's not overvaluing that's stating that a better center will make their jobs easier.

MarchingOn · 12-07-2014, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Heard parts of Payton's post game presser.

He was adamant that changes will happen.

I'm eager to see exactly how responds.

Yeah, me, too (eager). I really believe he's going to make some big changes now. No paralysis by analysis.

Think it's silly to "wait" and then immediately fire people after the last game.

I think a coach/more are gone, some starters will become backups , and we find some off the street or off another team's practice squad. I'm excited to see if we find anything that works (like it looks as if we have with our brand-new PR Sanders).

Kind of glad our weaknesses got exposed all at once. Caused a mindshift in Payton. The press conference made me eager to see a change. Now I don't have to wait hopelessly for the draft and off-season.

What happens when Armstead goes out? We've Undrafted FA and lo-round draft picks as all our OL 2nd string. We've other teams' cast-offs, UFAs, and lo-round draft picks at LB. Can't run nor stop the run. Gee, wonder why? Thinking Payton/Loomis will finally draft accordingly.

MarchingOn · 12-07-2014, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Can't cut the kicker this year, he's like 18 for 20.

At the very least, Ryan and the entire defensvie coaching staff need to go. McMahon too.

Special Teams needed a new coach long ago. Hope McMahon finally goes. Reminds me of the OC under Mora who Mora would just never fire.

LB coach Vitt needs to go. Weak LB corps for a while and no recent improvement in any individual players I can think of.

Don't know enough about the DL or secondary coaches. Haven't decided on RR.

Whoever made the picks in this year's 2nd round (CB Baptise) 4th round (LB Fortt since released by 2 teams) and 6th (OT Rook) should be replaced.

MarchingOn · 12-07-2014, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

This was the worse game I've seen in the SP/Brees Era. There's been bad ones, but this one was the worst.

It was like watching a Haslett/Brooks Era game, to be honest. Undisciplined, unmotivated & out-of-sync on both sides of the ball.

And if any game has highlighted the need to address the ability to consistently stop the run to win ball games, this one was it. You cannot let a team run at will throughout a ballgame to win. Period. Figured the SF, Bengals & Baltimore games should have hammered that fact home by now.

Agree. Finally I believe Payton/Loomis will get that everyone has now figured out how to beat us. It's the same as it's been for a while: just run and don't forget to run right up the middle.

Where most every team in football has a defense that will consistently turn an unimaginative run up the middle into "3 yards and a cloud of dust," we can be counted on to gift multiple surprise long runs if teams will just continue to run and not panic if Bree puts them well behind us. Then, don't worry, you'll catch up.

Whether it's mis-tackles, LBs with terrible instincts who run right into the trash, slow or too small LBs, a lack of a big/run-stuffing NT (until recently)...well, it just doesn't matter which question it is for that season, the answer is run on us.

MarchingOn · 12-07-2014, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Don't think we need a ton of changes...

New Center, new Guards, a pair of mean DTs that push the pocket, a decent #2 CB, a new ILB not named Hawthorne, and lastly new positional coaches across the board.

Guess that's not to much to ask for right?

lol

Agree, except I'd keep Jahri Evans and maybe even Grubbs. Don't watch enough tape to know, but I've seen Evens do some good things still.

Don't know why we don't move Lelito back to starter. We did better when he was starting, especially the run game plus he's apparently "the future" (or at least our backup for Center and both Guards).

We so need another ILB...2, in my opinion and at least 1 in most others' opinions.

I'd like a #2 CB and move Robinson to nickel covering the slot, if we keep him at all given a good price. He's gotten better the last few games, I think. White is a good backup or dime for a recent 5th rounder, I think.

I think losing Jenkins and maybe Harper hurt more than we thought, too.

saintsfan1976 · 12-07-2014, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If he was wearing 41 people would be saying harpers having his worst season ever. Worst safety in the NFL and I think he was replaced with Sanford in the 2nd half.

41 had starters around him Vaccaro is surrounded by backups, rookies and practice squad players.

While that may account for him being out of position it surely doesn't excuse the way he tackles like a bouncy ball.

blackangold · 12-07-2014, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Seems you handle opinions the same way you handle losses... Never, have I ever given that impression here.

Both can play another year. That's not overvaluing that's stating that a better center will make their jobs easier.

Impressions aren't up to you to decide. The preseption you give is decided by the intended audience and although you may not have the intention of sounding like a "know it all"; you do.

12-07-2014, 08:00 PM	#31
Threaded by blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 C - Lelito G - both can play another year or two with Lelito at center DT - agree 100% that we need ONE more CB #2 - agree 100% ILB - agree 100% we need ONE more Coaches - not all need to go. So that's an impact DT and ILB to go along with CB. Totally do-able. Where's my chicken? Forgot you were the end-all-be-all of saints fans, my bad, ill just take your opinion for fact because you say so... Lelito is good enough at center but you're overvaluing our Guards, both have let age catch them and as the season has gone on they look a few steps away from retirement.
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12-07-2014, 08:04 PM	#32
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by Danno If he was wearing 41 people would be saying harpers having his worst season ever. Worst safety in the NFL and I think he was replaced with Sanford in the 2nd half. Don't think he should be playing either Danno... it's a shame but Byrd and Bush should be the starters next year. KV might be good at the NB spot if he is lucky. This year has changed my opinion of him. The only thing he has going for him is heart, he is not one to give up.

12-07-2014, 08:11 PM	#33
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 I don't understand the people that still say of we have a chance... yeah to go to the playoffs oh yes what a accomplishment with the worst Saints team in the Payton era... Nothing to feel good about... 1 and done... and please don't throw the home field advantage at me I will just start laughing out loud.... teddybarexxx likes this.

12-07-2014, 08:23 PM	#34
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by blackangold Forgot you were the end-all-be-all of saints fans, my bad, ill just take your opinion for fact because you say so... Seems you handle opinions the same way you handle losses... Never, have I ever given that impression here. Originally Posted by blackangold Lelito is good enough at center but you're overvaluing our Guards, both have let age catch them and as the season has gone on they look a few steps away from retirement. Both can play another year. That's not overvaluing that's stating that a better center will make their jobs easier.

12-07-2014, 08:40 PM	#35
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Heard parts of Payton's post game presser. He was adamant that changes will happen. I'm eager to see exactly how responds. Yeah, me, too (eager). I really believe he's going to make some big changes now. No paralysis by analysis. Think it's silly to "wait" and then immediately fire people after the last game. I think a coach/more are gone, some starters will become backups , and we find some off the street or off another team's practice squad. I'm excited to see if we find anything that works (like it looks as if we have with our brand-new PR Sanders). Kind of glad our weaknesses got exposed all at once. Caused a mindshift in Payton. The press conference made me eager to see a change. Now I don't have to wait hopelessly for the draft and off-season. What happens when Armstead goes out? We've Undrafted FA and lo-round draft picks as all our OL 2nd string. We've other teams' cast-offs, UFAs, and lo-round draft picks at LB. Can't run nor stop the run. Gee, wonder why? Thinking Payton/Loomis will finally draft accordingly.

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12-07-2014, 08:47 PM	#36
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Can't cut the kicker this year, he's like 18 for 20. At the very least, Ryan and the entire defensvie coaching staff need to go. McMahon too. Special Teams needed a new coach long ago. Hope McMahon finally goes. Reminds me of the OC under Mora who Mora would just never fire. LB coach Vitt needs to go. Weak LB corps for a while and no recent improvement in any individual players I can think of. Don't know enough about the DL or secondary coaches. Haven't decided on RR. Whoever made the picks in this year's 2nd round (CB Baptise) 4th round (LB Fortt since released by 2 teams) and 6th (OT Rook) should be replaced. Halo, Barry from MS and K Major like this.

12-07-2014, 09:07 PM	#37
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by Barry from MS *This* was the worse game I've seen in the SP/Brees Era. There's been bad ones, but this one was the worst. It was like watching a Haslett/Brooks Era game, to be honest. Undisciplined, unmotivated & out-of-sync on both sides of the ball. And if any game has highlighted the need to address the ability to consistently stop the run to win ball games, this one was it. You cannot let a team run at will throughout a ballgame to win. Period. Figured the SF, Bengals & Baltimore games should have hammered that fact home by now. Agree. Finally I believe Payton/Loomis will get that everyone has now figured out how to beat us. It's the same as it's been for a while: just run and don't forget to run right up the middle. Where most every team in football has a defense that will consistently turn an unimaginative run up the middle into "3 yards and a cloud of dust," we can be counted on to gift multiple surprise long runs if teams will just continue to run and not panic if Bree puts them well behind us. Then, don't worry, you'll catch up. Whether it's mis-tackles, LBs with terrible instincts who run right into the trash, slow or too small LBs, a lack of a big/run-stuffing NT (until recently)...well, it just doesn't matter which question it is for that season, the answer is run on us. Barry from MS likes this.

12-07-2014, 09:14 PM	#38
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by blackangold Don't think we need a ton of changes... New Center, new Guards, a pair of mean DTs that push the pocket, a decent #2 CB, a new ILB not named Hawthorne, and lastly new positional coaches across the board. Guess that's not to much to ask for right? lol Agree, except I'd keep Jahri Evans and maybe even Grubbs. Don't watch enough tape to know, but I've seen Evens do some good things still. Don't know why we don't move Lelito back to starter. We did better when he was starting, especially the run game plus he's apparently "the future" (or at least our backup for Center and both Guards). We so need another ILB...2, in my opinion and at least 1 in most others' opinions. I'd like a #2 CB and move Robinson to nickel covering the slot, if we keep him at all given a good price. He's gotten better the last few games, I think. White is a good backup or dime for a recent 5th rounder, I think. I think losing Jenkins and maybe Harper hurt more than we thought, too.

12-07-2014, 09:21 PM	#39
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by Danno If he was wearing 41 people would be saying harpers having his worst season ever. Worst safety in the NFL and I think he was replaced with Sanford in the 2nd half. 41 had starters around him Vaccaro is surrounded by backups, rookies and practice squad players. While that may account for him being out of position it surely doesn't excuse the way he tackles like a bouncy ball. brees84 likes this.

12-07-2014, 09:52 PM	#40
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SAINTS BLOWN OUT AT HOME BY CAROLINA 41-10 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Seems you handle opinions the same way you handle losses... Never, have I ever given that impression here. Both can play another year. That's not overvaluing that's stating that a better center will make their jobs easier. Impressions aren't up to you to decide. The preseption you give is decided by the intended audience and although you may not have the intention of sounding like a "know it all"; you do.

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