Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 629907)

I don't think Payton has been the same since returning from his years suspension.

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 629906)

Welcome to the new NFL. Now it's happening in our locker room. This is sadly what college football is producing now. Dbag level players have taken over by storm and it's getting worser. Look at the top picks in the draft this year compared to the bottom ones in the first round. You can thank people like Drake, Bieber, Lil Wayne, Macklemore's music and personalities for spreading on our current culture. It's not about to get better either with JW coming aboard next year. Mark Cuban was dead on............get ready for the NFL to implode within the next two years if NCAA does not step in and fix this for those future young players. Or maybe its the music industry and rappers having too much influence on the NFL and college.

This culture has never fit our team and one player can mess things up. I think its revealing why we have played so bad. Its not just our team its the type of people we are competing with now in the league. The NFC unfortunately has more of them and we're falling out of sync with this. Even more, the younger fans now in the league compared to the same age in 2006 have grown to hate us and talk trash about us. The dbag generation does not like the saints. Therefore, we're no longer "special" and "special" now is what the eagles are. That's the NFL we have now.

As much as I hate to say it we need to move on from Payton because its run its course or we have to ride out the storm like Belichik and Dungy did. They play in the AFC where its less competitive which is why they have had more SB appearances. We don't get that luxury in the NFC. It's not our time now.

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 629927)

A blue collar lunch pail toting mentality may just be what the doctor orders to cure this sickness.

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 630023)

Football awareness & Football IQ are certainly not what the cool kids are learning about or practicing anymore.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 630031)

Back to a comment I made before: Are Payton's players thinking more than playing?

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 629927)

SP has produced the stats do not lie in this fact

The nfl is use to to his play calling. expect the unexpected and you can bet most will be too cute for their own good.

Why is does everyone have an issue with saying Greg Williams was hands down the best DC the saints have in what last 20 years? I do not care if you do not like him as a person. he got the job done no matter what he was handed to work with.

A bunch of back ups from other teams that were just solid football players looked and played harder than any thing we have now. remember that is the group that won us a super bowl. Backup that no matter who you drafted or signed in FA would not give up the starting job without a fight. well 99% of the time they held on to it. Shanle is my favorite example. god knows we tried to replace him. he just would not go walk away with out a fight. gotta respect that in the man

maybe that is the issue. we have stopped adding players that love the game and want to play 110% no matter the score. attitude. hunger. desire. passion. call it what ever you like it has been leaving town since the super bowl and well it appears town is just about empty.

A blue collar lunch pail toting mentality may just be what the doctor orders to cure this sickness.

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 630078)

i have no clue on what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 625576)

... as far as i'm concern they gave up on the season yesterday, so have i.