John DeShazier: No positives for Saints in blowout loss to Panthers

Euphoria · 12-08-2014, 08:57 AM

The philosophy we have used since Sean has been here has caught up with us.

THe first wave of FA and draft picks we were able to build a pretty good OL. Since then they have let those guys go and not replace them with equal skill level. There has been a consistent revolving door with the OL and to a degree the D and rightfully so.

I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE.

Danno · 12-08-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

The philosophy we have used since Sean has been here has caught up with us.

THe first wave of FA and draft picks we were able to build a pretty good OL. Since then they have let those guys go and not replace them with equal skill level. There has been a consistent revolving door with the OL and to a degree the D and rightfully so.

I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE.

A Jim Finks disciple I see.

O-line and D-line. All the great teams had great lines. They make average players great, they make great players Hall of Famers.

skymike · 12-08-2014, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

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I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE.

I'll second that!

Originally Posted by Danno

A Jim Finks disciple I see.

O-line and D-line. All the great teams had great lines. They make average players great, they make great players Hall of Famers.

wow, you guys arent usually agreeable. maybe we're getting some locker room chemistry on the board...

Danno · 12-08-2014, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I'll second that!

wow, you guys arent usually agreeable. maybe we're getting some locker room chemistry on the board...

I think most of us old guys know that Finks' philosophy is a proven winner.
Dominate the trenches and even mediocre skill players can succeed.

The dome patrol LB's will tell you right off, those 3 guys up front made their jobs a lot easier.

halloween 65 · 12-08-2014, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

The philosophy we have used since Sean has been here has caught up with us.

THe first wave of FA and draft picks we were able to build a pretty good OL. Since then they have let those guys go and not replace them with equal skill level. There has been a consistent revolving door with the OL and to a degree the D and rightfully so.

I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE.

Agree 100%. You still have to have the coaches that turn these guys in studs. I don't think our position coaches especially on the D ,do a good job.

12-08-2014, 08:57 AM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: John DeShazier: No positives for Saints in blowout loss to Panthers The philosophy we have used since Sean has been here has caught up with us. THe first wave of FA and draft picks we were able to build a pretty good OL. Since then they have let those guys go and not replace them with equal skill level. There has been a consistent revolving door with the OL and to a degree the D and rightfully so. I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE. Danno, Rugby Saint II and halloween 65 like this.
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12-08-2014, 09:06 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: John DeShazier: No positives for Saints in blowout loss to Panthers Originally Posted by Euphoria The philosophy we have used since Sean has been here has caught up with us. THe first wave of FA and draft picks we were able to build a pretty good OL. Since then they have let those guys go and not replace them with equal skill level. There has been a consistent revolving door with the OL and to a degree the D and rightfully so. I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE. A Jim Finks disciple I see. O-line and D-line. All the great teams had great lines. They make average players great, they make great players Hall of Famers.

12-08-2014, 05:18 PM	#3
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: John DeShazier: No positives for Saints in blowout loss to Panthers Originally Posted by Euphoria ... I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SHt. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE. I'll second that!* Originally Posted by Danno A Jim Finks disciple I see. O-line and D-line. All the great teams had great lines. They make average players great, they make great players Hall of Famers. wow, you guys arent usually agreeable. maybe we're getting some locker room chemistry on the board... Danno likes this.

12-08-2014, 06:12 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: John DeShazier: No positives for Saints in blowout loss to Panthers Originally Posted by skymike I'll second that! wow, you guys arent usually agreeable. maybe we're getting some locker room chemistry on the board... I think most of us old guys know that Finks' philosophy is a proven winner. Dominate the trenches and even mediocre skill players can succeed. The dome patrol LB's will tell you right off, those 3 guys up front made their jobs a lot easier. RailBoss likes this.

12-08-2014, 09:52 AM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: John DeShazier: No positives for Saints in blowout loss to Panthers Originally Posted by Euphoria The philosophy we have used since Sean has been here has caught up with us. THe first wave of FA and draft picks we were able to build a pretty good OL. Since then they have let those guys go and not replace them with equal skill level. There has been a consistent revolving door with the OL and to a degree the D and rightfully so. I think the lesson to be learned in all this is that you can have the QB and you can have all the weapons but if you don't have a line you have SH*t. They need to rebuild or retool this team starting with the OL and DL from the inside out. Start with the C and work you're way out - Start with DT and work your way to DE. Agree 100%. You still have to have the coaches that turn these guys in studs. I don't think our position coaches especially on the D ,do a good job. MarchingOn likes this.

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