Alright People with cap knowledge

spkb25 · 12-08-2014, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Grubbs and Evans needs to be cut or traded. The line has become a joke. Brees has no time at all. This off season the o-line is a must fix. With a fixed o-line and I see us being at 9 wins right now.

Can't do **** with Evans until after next season, his dead money would hurt too much

halloween 65 · 12-08-2014, 04:10 PM

Dead money or not " if you don't get it, your gone". Thats what needs to be done. Payton does his best work when he demands excellance and why the he!! he aint' demanding it nowI'll never know!! Where are you at Sean hello,hello!! Show us the tough love!!

dizzle88 · 12-08-2014, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Dead money or not " if you don't get it, your gone". Thats what needs to be done. Payton does his best work when he demands excellance and why the he!! he aint' demanding it nowI'll never know!! Where are you at Sean hello,hello!! Show us the tough love!!

I'd rather cut a player and have dead money on the cap than keep a player that's under performing and is simply not bothered about it.

Jack Vegas · 12-08-2014, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Can't do **** with Evans until after next season, his dead money would hurt too much

Not true, if we cut Evans this offseason we would gain 6 million. If we designated him a June 1 cut it would be a 7.5 million savings. It is good that Loomis did not restructure very many deals this offseason for this exact reason.

In fact the only significant negative dead-money guys for 2015 are Byrd, Galette, Keenan, Streif, Vacarro and Cooks. Even cutting Graham wouldn't really kill you too bad since the salary cap is going up anyway.

IMO, we would be smart to let Evans go. He's not a great player anymore and barely a good one most weeks. Not his fault, he's just got too many chronic injuries. Build around Armstead, Grubbs and Lelito, that's a damn good start on the OL.

Danno · 12-08-2014, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Not true, if we cut Evans this offseason we would gain 6 million. If we designated him a June 1 cut it would be a 7.5 million savings. It is good that Loomis did not restructure very many deals this offseason for this exact reason.

In fact the only significant negative dead-money guys for 2015 are Byrd, Galette, Keenan, Streif, Vacarro and Cooks. Even cutting Graham wouldn't really kill you too bad since the salary cap is going up anyway.

Cutting Graham would cost us 11.9 million. Keeping him would cost us 11 million. It would be beyond foolish to cut Graham.

Jack Vegas · 12-08-2014, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cutting Graham would cost us 11.9 million. Keeping him would cost us 11 million. It would be beyond foolish to cut Graham.

I didn't say we should cut him. I was simply pointing out that if they for some reason decided to, even that wouldn't be cap suicide.

Say what you want about Loomis, but he has set the cap structure up in such a way that he'll never be handcuffed by it.

hagan714 · 12-08-2014, 10:49 PM

as i see it the only real option is Drew redoing his contract. Other than that the savings do not out weigh the cost of a replacement in most cases.

to cut anyone at this time would be an act of suicide. Cap and team wise. No depth and no replacements on the roster.

Add pieces first then start the talk of cuts. we need to start laying the ground work now because 2017 is not that far away.

2017 is the magic year for the saints. just look at the site Danno posted.

If we get lucky in the 2015 we maybe able to make a move or two in 2016 when the dead money hits become even less than what they are for 2016.

12-08-2014, 03:40 PM	#11
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge Originally Posted by voodooido Grubbs and Evans needs to be cut or traded. The line has become a joke. Brees has no time at all. This off season the o-line is a must fix. With a fixed o-line and I see us being at 9 wins right now. Can't do **** with Evans until after next season, his dead money would hurt too much

12-08-2014, 04:10 PM	#12
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge Dead money or not " if you don't get it, your gone". Thats what needs to be done. Payton does his best work when he demands excellance and why the he!! he aint' demanding it nowI'll never know!! Where are you at Sean hello,hello!! Show us the tough love!! dizzle88 likes this.

12-08-2014, 04:12 PM	#13
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge Originally Posted by halloween 65 Dead money or not " if you don't get it, your gone". Thats what needs to be done. Payton does his best work when he demands excellance and why the he!! he aint' demanding it nowI'll never know!! Where are you at Sean hello,hello!! Show us the tough love!! I'd rather cut a player and have dead money on the cap than keep a player that's under performing and is simply not bothered about it. halloween 65 likes this.

12-08-2014, 04:21 PM	#14
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge Originally Posted by spkb25 Can't do **** with Evans until after next season, his dead money would hurt too much Not true, if we cut Evans this offseason we would gain 6 million. If we designated him a June 1 cut it would be a 7.5 million savings. It is good that Loomis did not restructure very many deals this offseason for this exact reason. In fact the only significant negative dead-money guys for 2015 are Byrd, Galette, Keenan, Streif, Vacarro and Cooks. Even cutting Graham wouldn't really kill you too bad since the salary cap is going up anyway. IMO, we would be smart to let Evans go. He's not a great player anymore and barely a good one most weeks. Not his fault, he's just got too many chronic injuries. Build around Armstead, Grubbs and Lelito, that's a damn good start on the OL.
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12-08-2014, 04:28 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Not true, if we cut Evans this offseason we would gain 6 million. If we designated him a June 1 cut it would be a 7.5 million savings. It is good that Loomis did not restructure very many deals this offseason for this exact reason. In fact the only significant negative dead-money guys for 2015 are Byrd, Galette, Keenan, Streif, Vacarro and Cooks. Even cutting Graham wouldn't really kill you too bad since the salary cap is going up anyway. Cutting Graham would cost us 11.9 million. Keeping him would cost us 11 million. It would be beyond foolish to cut Graham. hagan714 likes this.

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12-08-2014, 04:33 PM	#16
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge Originally Posted by Danno Cutting Graham would cost us 11.9 million. Keeping him would cost us 11 million. It would be beyond foolish to cut Graham. I didn't say we should cut him. I was simply pointing out that if they for some reason decided to, even that wouldn't be cap suicide. Say what you want about Loomis, but he has set the cap structure up in such a way that he'll never be handcuffed by it.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Alright People with cap knowledge as i see it the only real option is Drew redoing his contract. Other than that the savings do not out weigh the cost of a replacement in most cases. to cut anyone at this time would be an act of suicide. Cap and team wise. No depth and no replacements on the roster. Add pieces first then start the talk of cuts. we need to start laying the ground work now because 2017 is not that far away. 2017 is the magic year for the saints. just look at the site Danno posted. If we get lucky in the 2015 we maybe able to make a move or two in 2016 when the dead money hits become even less than what they are for 2016. MatthewT likes this.
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