Mickey Loomis on the hot seat?
 

Is Saints GM Mickey Loomis on the Hot Seat?

The article raises an interesting point. I think Loomis is good at about everything except drafting defensive talent. Maybe its the coaches faults for not developing them, but whatever the case it needs to be fixed quickly.

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Just move him to a bean counting role and bring in somebody better on the on field football side of things

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I think Loomis only does one thing well; dealing with the cap. Every year he pulls some amazing things off with the cap.

However, Loomis' ability to draft talent is non-existent. He got lucky with a few small school guys many years ago, but since then he has failed to bring new talent in particularly on the defensive side.

His job should be on the line as much as Rob Ryan's.

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Loomis isn't directly responsible for our draft failures, but he's accountable.

I expect the real problem will be addressed this off-season.

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Loomis is on record as saying I do not football players and their skill sets. this all came about with the wire taping issues years back. he said he is the last person to spy on anyone on the field because he knows little about what is going on out there.

no some of the contracts he has just made he may have a time explaining.

but when it comes to pulling a wabbit out of the hat he is one of the best in the NFL, one more year and the cap numbers can really be addressed. dead money will decrease big time. two years and he is sitting good.

just stop giving out the huge contracts please.

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Yep, Loomis is basically a very good CEO/CFO. Thats what GM's do in the NFL now.

He's one of the best in the NFL but has his flaws. As you said, he over-pays too much, and the scouting department requires some serious attention this off-season.

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After this season no one's job should be safe, no one's.

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Rookies and drafties, are a tougher call.
Lots of college talent falls flat in translation to the NFL.
FA's have film and results, successes and failures at this level.
No excuse when we get those wrong.
All said, Loomis is just one vote.
Payton, Carmichael, Ryan, Pace, Reiprish all have to raise their hands.
And thats after the scouts have recommended the guy or brought him up for a vote.
Our money is funny lately. Success does that to a team.
We tried to win cheap for a longgggggggggggg time. Didn't work very well.
Loomis' job is fine. 11 heads are still better than one when evaluating talent.
We have to finds guys that fit well what we/they (Payton and company) are trying to do.
And get better at doing what fits or level of talent.
ie: Don't press with with guys that are slow, and can't turn and go. Play zone.
If we can't run the ball, forget about play action...not fooling or freezing anybody.
Somethings in the water this season. I still can't put my finger on it.

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I'm tired of our team bringing in all these "project" players

Like, yeah let's bring this player in because he COULD be decent in about 4 seasons time

Bring in a player that knows football, that can compete straight away

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Nothing is going to happen.

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Loomis isn't going anywhere. Payton tried to have it written in his contract that if Loomis left then he would be allowed to opt out of his contract but the NFL said no and that had to be scratched. As long as Payton's here then we're not getting rid of Loomis, Vitt, etc.

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They have been much more successful on the offensive side of the ball. It's been a revolving door on the other side. Reminds of the Dan Fouts Chargers. Could score a million but gave up two million.

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A lot of those scouts should be gone next year.

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So our top 2 personnel guys are history!!!

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AMEN Brother!! AMEN!!

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I hope his seat is hot. All of their seats should be hot...if a multimillionaires seat can even get hot.

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2013 - Kenny V. - Awesome pick. 2014 - Kenny V. - worst safety in the league. That's not on Loomis or Reiprish. That's on Kenny and the coaching staff.

We also had the #4 defense in the NFL last year. These guys were geniuses last year and now they should all be fired?

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This is what scares me that Brees is becoming Fouts.

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Thats why we need to invest in OL because most qbs do turn the ball over when they face superior qbs through no fault of the defense but mental errors. We could have done this to people like Dalton, Hoyer, and probably would have won against Atlanta with a healthy oline and Baltimore. Thats 10 wins. If the defense does not improve then we better have something to fall back on.

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I so agree. However, if we were going to (once again) trade up (and once again, throw away mid-round picks), at least it was for WR Cooks. He was the only one worth it.

A 2nd round pick used on OL (or WR) with the 3rd on LB, oh boy what a day it would've been. Wonder who we woulda got in the 1st if we stayed 26th? My fav (CB Verritt) was off the board.

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WOW! There's a lot of opinions with regards to this topic. There's also quite a bit of emotion around our horrible season, Loomis, Ryan, drafts, scouting and on & on. I don't think we can blow up the whole thing and hope we will be o.k. We use to think Loomis was a genius now we want him gone? Let's not forget he is over both football & basketball & is being pulled in several directions. Everyone's job should be shaky but not everyone has to go. While we still have Drew & Sean we need to concentrate on winning a championship within the next 2 years. We don't need to dismantle the car because we have an oil leak.

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I don't think he's on the hot seat. He brought this team out of the perpetual sludge of mediocracy. We're back in that sludge right now unfortunately, but you can't win em' all. There are going to be some soft edges the tires are going to hit from time to time. Overall he's done a great job. There were maybe 1-3 plays that kept us out of the playoffs, that's it. A couple of plays. The 49er meltdown 50+ yard strike and the Jimmy TD off the top of my head. There were also a lot of new unproven players, and players in roles they should not have been in. I give him the pass to get it together. Seems like we are doing that right now.

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I don't want him replaced or to leave. I want him to right this ship like he has before. We were so horrible that we couldn't win the pitiful NFCSouth. Getting to the playoffs will never be as easy as it setup this year and we couldn't get it done. For that everyone needs to be on the hot seat. Everyone.

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What bothers me most about Loomis tenure is their inability to understand the value of draft picks...

Seems like other teams would have gotten Shockey and Vilma with only one pick each...

And moving up so cavalierly, while I'd normally appreciate the aggressiveness, the Ingram move was absolutely horrible for team (and fans) as well as player who was unable to live up to the hype...

Now I like Cooks, but there were receivers still on the board who were as effective (maybe not as talented, certainly bigger though) who could have contributed and still have left that third round pick for say...a linebacker?!?

And to knowingly take projects with first, second round picks (Meachem, Ingram, Henderson, Baptiste) is really poor draft assessment valuation...

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Henderson was actually good for us.

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It is all coming to an end gang.

Look at the cap time frame on expiring contract. 2016 is the golden date for expiring contracts. dead money amounts are so sweet...... now take into account the the players and the front are fully aware that the odds of the final years of any of the contract have little hope of getting paid. that is why they front load these contracts. Agents and the front offices know this. everyone is cap bait for the most part.

the last real push the saints made for a super bowl run was the fA year we signed sproles and the others. that did not work out. close but no cigars

Now our backs are to the wall and the saints have become more and more desperate each and every year.

Draft has been all about swinging for the fence instead of working the bases. So as expected we have struck out more times than not

FA signing? sorry when the saints gutted this team to sign Byrd was the final act of desperation. I like byrd but that contract.geshhh. someone sold a bills of good on this one.

Byrd needs players around him so he can do what he does best. Pats learned this a long time ago and attacked Byrd by forcing him into one on one coverage. not his strong suit. this secondary needs a huge infusion of talent to make this signing work. Kenny is not the type of SS you want back there helping him out. that is not a marriage made in heaven as most thought it was to be including the saints who bought into the bill of goods sold to them. sorry i have Rob pegged as the salesman.

So the saints have their back to the wall and the super bowl window is all but closed and they have not done anything to the saints roster to keep it at an elite level in the NFL. As a matter of fact the desperation moves have made this worse.

Mickey is a pencil pusher that does as he is told. he is dam good at it too.

The games being played personnel wise? that blame rests else where.

What the saints need is a boring solid draft. in fact it is long over due.

It is coming to end and this might be the last year many of our favorite old timers will wear a saint uniform.

When you look at the bench we aint got squat to replace them.

so contract restructuring and/or extensions all around because we are not ready, if not back to the basement we go.

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Henderson and Mechuem?

LMAO first round pick for streakers? their route tree did or does not have that many branches for sure.

thus the reason i have always said the saints have never given Drew a true #1 WR

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No way Loomis is on the "hot seat" or going anywhere. The reason?

http://media.nola.com/saints_impact/...67115bbb2d.jpg

Like it or not, this team is STILL immersed in its own nostalgia for the Super Bowl year. They are still riding that trophy into the sunset for as long as possible. Benson, Loomis, Payton, the veterans on the coaching staff, the scouts, all of them -- it pervades the whole organization. No way that changes until a lot of other things change first.

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I do have to agree with everything you said mostly about them still riding the trophy into the sunset. But that is where I'm having a problem. There have been to many seasons before that glorious 2009 trophy was raised and 5 more since it was hoisted. We have been in pretty much a decline since, except for the 2011 season(I thought that was by far the best team we ever had) instead of upgrading we went down alot. I don't care if they are still vasking in the 2009 run they deserve to be to a point but just to a point. I don't want to be a 1 hit wonder. I really don't want to be the NFC South or NFL laughing stock so if they continue to vask in the 2009 season and don't improve they can all tell their story in a bar room or wherever their fired aSS's are if they don't right the ship. I like Payton and I like Loomis but I loved my Saints way longer than they have been here and will love my Saints way after they are gone.