Triplette - Saints Mailbag

saintsfan1976 · 12-14-2014, 09:38 AM

Thought all the questions this week touched on recent topics here - cap issues, tanking the season and general performance of all three phases.

New Orleans Saints mailbag: Why the anemic offense? - ESPN

@MikeTriplett why does the offense seem so anemic relative to the last 8-9 years? Colston has been a non factor this year.

@MikeTriplett: I completely agree with the question -- even though I can't find many numbers that actually support it. The Saints' 421 yards per game are the second most in the Sean Payton-Drew Brees era, and their 6.1 yards per play are about average in that era. Brees is still on pace to throw for about 4,900 yards with 34 touchdowns. Some of that has come in "garbage time," but not much.

The one area where I feel like the Saints are lacking most is the downfield passing game. It seems like defenses are forcing them to check down more than ever, and their success has come from chipping away (they lead the NFL in first downs per game, completion percentage and third-down conversion rates). Clearly longtime vets like Marques Colston and Robert Meachem are having down years. And Jimmy Graham isn't catching nearly as many balls deep down the field as usual -- which is why his catches and touchdowns are normal, but his yards are down. At least I thought that was the obvious answer to this question. But I was surprised to see that Brees' numbers on passes of 20-plus yards in the air are pretty close to normal, as well, according to ESPN Stats & Information. He's on pace to complete 30 of them for 1,041 yards this year.

Over the past five years, he averaged 31 of them for 1,119 yards. Honestly, the biggest difference is probably the Saints' awful starting field position (roughly the 24-yard line, which is second-worst in the NFL to the Oakland Raiders). The Saints' defense and kick-return games rarely give the offense the ball back on a short field. So they have to work extra hard for every score. It was the same case last year. In 2013, the Saints averaged only 25.9 points per game. This year, it's 25.6 points per game. And the two offenses have been similar in many ways -- both strengths and weaknesses.

They just got away with it more last year because the defense was playing so well.

Danno · 12-14-2014, 10:12 AM

Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team)

Offensive Field Position - #32 (we have farther to go than any other team)

brees84 · 12-14-2014, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team)

This is killing us. Few more stops on defense now and there and we are looking at completely different record.

Boutte · 12-14-2014, 12:41 PM

The defense is the root of all our problems including offensive ones.

Can't buy a turnover, can't get a stop on 3rd down, can't pick up a loose ball. all of that and people still want to talk about how bad our offense is doing.

We're top 10 in almost every important offensive stat.

halloween 65 · 12-14-2014, 01:45 PM

Watching the O-play tells a different story of the O. They have had plenty chances to score than they have. Brees not being able to step-up in the pocket, dropped balls have hurt but the running game has been good. I still say that our O-line looks weak, #'s ,or not. The D ,well thats amusuement at it's best it's surely not getting it.

Rugby Saint II · 12-14-2014, 01:46 PM

Ingram is definitely going to need a good game tomorrow night. Cold wet weather is tough on our little dome team.

saintsfan1976 · 12-14-2014, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team)

Offensive Field Position - #32 (we have farther to go than any other team)

Neither of which are the offense's fault IMO

rezburna · 12-14-2014, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team)

Offensive Field Position - #32 (we have farther to go than any other team)

Good statistics. Damn good.

Danno · 12-14-2014, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Neither of which are the offense's fault IMO

Exactly, we have some serious problems, but they aren't on offense.

SloMotion · 12-15-2014, 08:51 AM

Yep ... can't get off the field & can't keep an opponent in their own end ... that's what those stats'll tell ya',

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12-14-2014, 09:38 AM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Triplette - Saints Mailbag Thought all the questions this week touched on recent topics here - cap issues, tanking the season and general performance of all three phases. New Orleans Saints mailbag: Why the anemic offense? - ESPN @MikeTriplett why does the offense seem so anemic relative to the last 8-9 years? Colston has been a non factor this year. @MikeTriplett: I completely agree with the question -- even though I can't find many numbers that actually support it. The Saints' 421 yards per game are the second most in the Sean Payton-Drew Brees era, and their 6.1 yards per play are about average in that era. Brees is still on pace to throw for about 4,900 yards with 34 touchdowns. Some of that has come in "garbage time," but not much. The one area where I feel like the Saints are lacking most is the downfield passing game. It seems like defenses are forcing them to check down more than ever, and their success has come from chipping away (they lead the NFL in first downs per game, completion percentage and third-down conversion rates). Clearly longtime vets like Marques Colston and Robert Meachem are having down years. And Jimmy Graham isn't catching nearly as many balls deep down the field as usual -- which is why his catches and touchdowns are normal, but his yards are down. At least I thought that was the obvious answer to this question. But I was surprised to see that Brees' numbers on passes of 20-plus yards in the air are pretty close to normal, as well, according to ESPN Stats & Information. He's on pace to complete 30 of them for 1,041 yards this year. Over the past five years, he averaged 31 of them for 1,119 yards. Honestly, the biggest difference is probably the Saints' awful starting field position (roughly the 24-yard line, which is second-worst in the NFL to the Oakland Raiders). The Saints' defense and kick-return games rarely give the offense the ball back on a short field. So they have to work extra hard for every score. It was the same case last year. In 2013, the Saints averaged only 25.9 points per game. This year, it's 25.6 points per game. And the two offenses have been similar in many ways -- both strengths and weaknesses. They just got away with it more last year because the defense was playing so well.

12-14-2014, 10:12 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team) Offensive Field Position - #32 (we have farther to go than any other team) Mardigras9, blackangold, rezburna and 1 others like this.

12-14-2014, 11:42 AM	#3
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Originally Posted by Danno Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team) This is killing us. Few more stops on defense now and there and we are looking at completely different record. Boutte and captainshawn like this.
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12-14-2014, 12:41 PM	#4
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag The defense is the root of all our problems including offensive ones. Can't buy a turnover, can't get a stop on 3rd down, can't pick up a loose ball. all of that and people still want to talk about how bad our offense is doing. We're top 10 in almost every important offensive stat.

12-14-2014, 01:45 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Watching the O-play tells a different story of the O. They have had plenty chances to score than they have. Brees not being able to step-up in the pocket, dropped balls have hurt but the running game has been good. I still say that our O-line looks weak, #'s ,or not. The D ,well thats amusuement at it's best it's surely not getting it.

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12-14-2014, 01:46 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Ingram is definitely going to need a good game tomorrow night. Cold wet weather is tough on our little dome team. halloween 65 likes this.

12-14-2014, 07:04 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Originally Posted by Danno Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team) Offensive Field Position - #32 (we have farther to go than any other team) Neither of which are the offense's fault IMO SloMotion likes this.

12-14-2014, 07:15 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Originally Posted by Danno Saints Offensive Drives - #32 (we have the fewest drives of any team) Offensive Field Position - #32 (we have farther to go than any other team) Good statistics. Damn good.

12-14-2014, 07:33 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Neither of which are the offense's fault IMO Exactly, we have some serious problems, but they aren't on offense. SloMotion likes this.

12-15-2014, 08:51 AM	#10
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Triplette - Saints Mailbag Yep ... can't get off the field & can't keep an opponent in their own end ... that's what those stats'll tell ya', .

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