Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup

12-16-2014, 10:36 AM

I'll take the Legion of Whom over No Rhythm and Booed anyday.

papz · 12-16-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The legion of Whom?

If I could like your post a million times I would.

Here... have a dancing broccoli.

dam1953 · 12-16-2014, 11:01 AM

Until last night the Saints had a total of 8 picks on the year. The three last night accounted for just under a 50% increase. Even though it is Da Bears, there is something to be said about new blood. Opposing coordinators and QB's can't learn much about tendencies by watching game film. Players on the field for the first nine games aren't there, or are playing different positions.

It's much like when a starting QB is struggling and goes down and the back up comes in and lights up the D.

It's all about what teams prepare for. It looks like the current D lineup is new enough to be somewhat of an unknown. Let's hope we can pick up a few more "W"s before opposing teams start to figure our new D out.

saintsfan1976 · 12-16-2014, 11:11 AM

No ones said it yet - Nice job Rob Ryan. That was a creative defense last night.

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dam1953 · 12-16-2014, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

No ones said it yet - Nice job Rob Ryan. That was a creative defense last night.

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Agree. When they play like garbage RR is a POS coordinator. Last night the new guys played great and was no mention of RR. Maybe RR was just dealt a bad hand this year and he was playing the cards he had. Last night they shuffled the deck and felt him a better hand.

halloween 65 · 12-16-2014, 12:41 PM

Anyone remember those games where our D made the opposing O look great. Or our O making an opposing D look much better than they are. The Bears game was a pityful effert on their part. Their O is in turmoil and their D well no where even close or even resembles the '85 Bears. What we played last night was a really bad team that made us look great. Now on the flipside I finally saw gang tackling, running to the ball on the D's side. On the O, much more crisp routes. When we play more of how we played last night(atually fundamentally sound football) on a consistant level(way more lows than highs this season to even mention) then I'll buy in to a good team thing. Also I never, ever, saw Hawthorn play as well as he did last night in a true 3-4 look. Jr. may not fit a 3-4 but looks good as a situational pass rusher( thats a lot of money for a 1 trick pony). All in all it was a needed win and a clean victory even if the Bears stink.

ikecomp · 12-16-2014, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Frederick looked really good. Much better then Briam Dixon and Corey White. Patrick Robinson shows flashes of greatness when he's not asked to be the man. Pierre Warren.....boy do I have high hopes for him. And Sanford looked good as well. He looks a lot better then Marcus Ball has.

And who know Hawthorne could rush the passer up the middle like that? We should do it more often.

I really liked what I saw from frederick too. He played tough solid defense. If he can hold up at the 2nd cornerback position and warren/samford can handle the safety duties, I would love to see white, robinson and vacarro man the slot/nickel back position. Particularly, I would like to see vacarro play more in the linebacker/nickel back role. For whatever reason he has been terrible playing 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage this year.

rezburna · 12-16-2014, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

I really liked what I saw from frederick too. He played tough solid defense. If he can hold up at the 2nd cornerback position and warren/samford can handle the safety duties, I would love to see white, robinson and vacarro man the slot/nickel back position. Particularly, I would like to see vacarro play more in the linebacker/nickel back role. For whatever reason he has been terrible playing 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage this year.

It seems like Vacarro is a better man defender then a zone defender. He also doesn't have great play recognition or awareness. You need them both to be a great zone player. He seems best suited locking up and following his guy.

ChrisXVI · 12-16-2014, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It seems like Vacarro is a better man defender then a zone defender. He also doesn't have great play recognition or awareness. You need them both to be a great zone player. He seems best suited locking up and following his guy.

Nailed it. That's why I liked what you said last night about next season using Byrd and Warren as zone safeties and Vacarro doing what he did last night.

MarchingOn · 12-16-2014, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The legion of Whom?

That is a good one! Made me laugh aloud.

12-16-2014, 10:36 AM	#11
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12-16-2014, 10:57 AM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Originally Posted by dizzle88 The legion of Whom? If I could like your post a million times I would. Here... have a dancing broccoli. saintfan, jnormand and dizzle88 like this.

12-16-2014, 11:01 AM	#13
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Until last night the Saints had a total of 8 picks on the year. The three last night accounted for just under a 50% increase. Even though it is Da Bears, there is something to be said about new blood. Opposing coordinators and QB's can't learn much about tendencies by watching game film. Players on the field for the first nine games aren't there, or are playing different positions. It's much like when a starting QB is struggling and goes down and the back up comes in and lights up the D. It's all about what teams prepare for. It looks like the current D lineup is new enough to be somewhat of an unknown. Let's hope we can pick up a few more "W"s before opposing teams start to figure our new D out. joker-saint and captainshawn like this.
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12-16-2014, 11:11 AM	#14
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dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 No ones said it yet - Nice job Rob Ryan. That was a creative defense last night. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Agree. When they play like garbage RR is a POS coordinator. Last night the new guys played great and was no mention of RR. Maybe RR was just dealt a bad hand this year and he was playing the cards he had. Last night they shuffled the deck and felt him a better hand.

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12-16-2014, 12:41 PM	#16
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Anyone remember those games where our D made the opposing O look great. Or our O making an opposing D look much better than they are. The Bears game was a pityful effert on their part. Their O is in turmoil and their D well no where even close or even resembles the '85 Bears. What we played last night was a really bad team that made us look great. Now on the flipside I finally saw gang tackling, running to the ball on the D's side. On the O, much more crisp routes. When we play more of how we played last night(atually fundamentally sound football) on a consistant level(way more lows than highs this season to even mention) then I'll buy in to a good team thing. Also I never, ever, saw Hawthorn play as well as he did last night in a true 3-4 look. Jr. may not fit a 3-4 but looks good as a situational pass rusher( thats a lot of money for a 1 trick pony). All in all it was a needed win and a clean victory even if the Bears stink. MarchingOn and ikecomp like this.

12-16-2014, 01:25 PM	#17
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Originally Posted by rezburna Frederick looked really good. Much better then Briam Dixon and Corey White. Patrick Robinson shows flashes of greatness when he's not asked to be the man. Pierre Warren.....boy do I have high hopes for him. And Sanford looked good as well. He looks a lot better then Marcus Ball has. And who know Hawthorne could rush the passer up the middle like that? We should do it more often. I really liked what I saw from frederick too. He played tough solid defense. If he can hold up at the 2nd cornerback position and warren/samford can handle the safety duties, I would love to see white, robinson and vacarro man the slot/nickel back position. Particularly, I would like to see vacarro play more in the linebacker/nickel back role. For whatever reason he has been terrible playing 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage this year.
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12-16-2014, 04:13 PM	#18
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Originally Posted by ikecomp I really liked what I saw from frederick too. He played tough solid defense. If he can hold up at the 2nd cornerback position and warren/samford can handle the safety duties, I would love to see white, robinson and vacarro man the slot/nickel back position. Particularly, I would like to see vacarro play more in the linebacker/nickel back role. For whatever reason he has been terrible playing 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage this year. It seems like Vacarro is a better man defender then a zone defender. He also doesn't have great play recognition or awareness. You need them both to be a great zone player. He seems best suited locking up and following his guy.

12-16-2014, 04:42 PM	#19
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Originally Posted by rezburna It seems like Vacarro is a better man defender then a zone defender. He also doesn't have great play recognition or awareness. You need them both to be a great zone player. He seems best suited locking up and following his guy. Nailed it. That's why I liked what you said last night about next season using Byrd and Warren as zone safeties and Vacarro doing what he did last night.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vaccaro, Secondary Respond To Shakeup Originally Posted by dizzle88 The legion of Whom? That is a good one! Made me laugh aloud. dizzle88 likes this.

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