McKenzie was the main reason

FireVenturi · 01-06-2005, 03:27 PM

Our defense started playing much better. The defense strategy really changes when you have a shut down corner. You let him play their best receiver man to man -- let the safeties cheat the line of scrimmage to help the linebackers and let Grant and Howard go after the qb. Yep a shut down corner can allow your defense to play much more aggressively. If we can add Smoot to the mix, get a very good linebacker we may have one of the best defenses in the league next year. A great defensive line which can rush and a top notched defensive backfield

Yean and we will be over tha cap too. Smoot is a me guy and will want a lot of $$$$$$$

Lifer · 01-06-2005, 03:35 PM

Right on. the Saints have invested heavily in a pass rush and based on the final few games it seems they have the potential to have a very good one. McKenzie was definitely a good addition and makes the rush even more effective. The addition of another shut down corner would help but this has to be weighed against other pressing needs like linebacker and safety. Saints were devasted by tight ends all year. I\'d give up another corner for an All Pro linebacker...

FireVenturi · 01-06-2005, 03:45 PM

I agree we should be happy with predator. If we can get a guy in the draft great, but to get a good corner in FA will be takin money away from Deuce or possibly a FA Lb, or T.

stockman311 · 01-06-2005, 04:14 PM

I really like Mckenzie and he did make some good plays for us this year, however, he couldn\'t hold Champ Bailey\'s jock strap in my opinion.
Did anyone forget the torching Moss, Mohammed Game 1 and Game 2, put on him.
The definition of a shut down corner is a corner who SHUTS DOWN the teams opposing receiver.
I was at the Saints Broncos game. Champ Bailey SHUT DOWN Joe Horn that day.
We still need serious help at Safety this offseason or we will have problems against elite teams and wind up 8-8 again.

Lifer · 01-06-2005, 04:23 PM

Did anyone forget the torching Moss, Mohammed Game 1 and Game 2, put on him.
The definition of a shut down corner is a corner who SHUTS DOWN the teams opposing receiver.

Granted McKenzie isn\'t Champ Bailey. But I think it\'s unfair to judge McKenzie on the basis of the Minnesota game. He\'d been in a Saints unifrom for like five minutes and was also hurt. They threw him in and hoped...Moss torched his ass. And Saints pass rush had yet to show up.

Danno · 01-06-2005, 04:50 PM

I really like Mckenzie and he did make some good plays for us this year, however, he couldn\'t hold Champ Bailey\'s jock strap in my opinion.
Did anyone forget the torching Moss, Mohammed Game 1 and Game 2, put on him.
The definition of a shut down corner is a corner who SHUTS DOWN the teams opposing receiver.

You\'re right, I think Chad Johnson still owns Champs jock right now. Ole Champ looked like Alex Molden against Chad Johnson, on MNF no less. With a 2nd year QB throwing to him!
MM had about 3 days to learn the Saints system. Its unfair to compare his 1st two weeks with a team to a CB who\'s been with a team the whole season.

stockman311 · 01-06-2005, 04:50 PM

How about that horrible non call on him vs Mohammed that was a sure pass interference? Or the two times Mohammed burned him deep but Delhomme overthrew him by about a yard?
What\'s your excuse for him allowing that final touchdown to Mohammed. Remember the one that almost let the Panthers back in the game. Mono e Mono and Mohammed was the one with the ball in his hands. Was McKenzie hurt? Had the pass rush failed to show up yet?
Champ Bailey probably picks off that pass and heads the other way for 6. So does Woodson, C. McAllister, Ty Law and a few other shut down corners.
There is a reason Green Bay dealt this guy for a second round pick. You don\'t let a shutdown corner go for any amount of discontent. Look at Ty Law. He was malcontent as well. The Patriots put him in time out but they never would have traded him or waived him.

[Edited on 6/1/2005 by stockman311]

[Edited on 6/1/2005 by stockman311]

FireVenturi · 01-06-2005, 04:55 PM

What\'s your excuse for him allowing that final touchdown to Mohammed. Remember the one that almost let the Panthers back in the game. Mono e Mono and Mohammed was the one with the ball in his hands. Was McKenzie hurt? Had the pass rush failed to show up yet?
Champ Bailey probably picks off that pass and heads the other way for 6. So does Woodson, C. McAllister, Ty Law and a few other shut down corners.
There is a reason Green Bay dealt this guy for a second round pick. You don\'t let a shutdown corner go for any amount of discontent. Look at Ty Law. He was malcontent as well. The Patriots put him in time out but they never would have traded him or waived him.

[Edited on 6/1/2005 by stockman311]

Yea ur right MM didnt create any turnovers or anything like that...Oh corners gets beat it will happen, its just when they get A Molden beat is when its a problem. MM is a t :casstet: op 10 corner

Lifer · 01-06-2005, 05:00 PM

No corner, shut down or not never gives up a play. See Monday night game with Chad Johnson torching the Champ all night long. ...I don\'t think McKenzie is a Champ Bailey, Ty Law or Macallister but he is a very good corner, the best the Saints have. Lest you forget Muhammed was the top receiver in the NFL this year.

4saintspirit · 01-07-2005, 07:42 AM

Couple of things -- the first few games McKenzie was in uniform a couple of things hindered him from being effective. One was that he did not know the system and 2 he is much more effective in man to man coverage. The second thing is that his presence allowed the Saints to play a much more aggressive defense which allowed our strengths (i.e. the defensive linemen) to rush the QB. He was largely responsible for us changing to that more aggressive D which allowed all of the other players to step up.

01-06-2005, 03:27 PM	#11
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	McKenzie was the main reason Our defense started playing much better. The defense strategy really changes when you have a shut down corner. You let him play their best receiver man to man -- let the safeties cheat the line of scrimmage to help the linebackers and let Grant and Howard go after the qb. Yep a shut down corner can allow your defense to play much more aggressively. If we can add Smoot to the mix, get a very good linebacker we may have one of the best defenses in the league next year. A great defensive line which can rush and a top notched defensive backfield Yean and we will be over tha cap too. Smoot is a me guy and will want a lot of $$$$$$$

01-06-2005, 03:35 PM	#12
Lifer Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69	McKenzie was the main reason Right on. the Saints have invested heavily in a pass rush and based on the final few games it seems they have the potential to have a very good one. McKenzie was definitely a good addition and makes the rush even more effective. The addition of another shut down corner would help but this has to be weighed against other pressing needs like linebacker and safety. Saints were devasted by tight ends all year. I\'d give up another corner for an All Pro linebacker...
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01-06-2005, 03:45 PM	#13
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	McKenzie was the main reason I agree we should be happy with predator. If we can get a guy in the draft great, but to get a good corner in FA will be takin money away from Deuce or possibly a FA Lb, or T.

01-06-2005, 04:14 PM	#14
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	McKenzie was the main reason I really like Mckenzie and he did make some good plays for us this year, however, he couldn\'t hold Champ Bailey\'s jock strap in my opinion. Did anyone forget the torching Moss, Mohammed Game 1 and Game 2, put on him. The definition of a shut down corner is a corner who SHUTS DOWN the teams opposing receiver. I was at the Saints Broncos game. Champ Bailey SHUT DOWN Joe Horn that day. We still need serious help at Safety this offseason or we will have problems against elite teams and wind up 8-8 again.

01-06-2005, 04:23 PM	#15
Lifer Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69	McKenzie was the main reason Did anyone forget the torching Moss, Mohammed Game 1 and Game 2, put on him. The definition of a shut down corner is a corner who SHUTS DOWN the teams opposing receiver. Granted McKenzie isn\'t Champ Bailey. But I think it\'s unfair to judge McKenzie on the basis of the Minnesota game. He\'d been in a Saints unifrom for like five minutes and was also hurt. They threw him in and hoped...Moss torched his ass. And Saints pass rush had yet to show up.
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01-06-2005, 04:50 PM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	McKenzie was the main reason I really like Mckenzie and he did make some good plays for us this year, however, he couldn\'t hold Champ Bailey\'s jock strap in my opinion. Did anyone forget the torching Moss, Mohammed Game 1 and Game 2, put on him. The definition of a shut down corner is a corner who SHUTS DOWN the teams opposing receiver. You\'re right, I think Chad Johnson still owns Champs jock right now. Ole Champ looked like Alex Molden against Chad Johnson, on MNF no less. With a 2nd year QB throwing to him! MM had about 3 days to learn the Saints system. Its unfair to compare his 1st two weeks with a team to a CB who\'s been with a team the whole season.

01-06-2005, 04:50 PM	#17
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	McKenzie was the main reason How about that horrible non call on him vs Mohammed that was a sure pass interference? Or the two times Mohammed burned him deep but Delhomme overthrew him by about a yard? What\'s your excuse for him allowing that final touchdown to Mohammed. Remember the one that almost let the Panthers back in the game. Mono e Mono and Mohammed was the one with the ball in his hands. Was McKenzie hurt? Had the pass rush failed to show up yet? Champ Bailey probably picks off that pass and heads the other way for 6. So does Woodson, C. McAllister, Ty Law and a few other shut down corners. There is a reason Green Bay dealt this guy for a second round pick. You don\'t let a shutdown corner go for any amount of discontent. Look at Ty Law. He was malcontent as well. The Patriots put him in time out but they never would have traded him or waived him. [Edited on 6/1/2005 by stockman311] [Edited on 6/1/2005 by stockman311]

01-06-2005, 04:55 PM	#18
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	McKenzie was the main reason What\'s your excuse for him allowing that final touchdown to Mohammed. Remember the one that almost let the Panthers back in the game. Mono e Mono and Mohammed was the one with the ball in his hands. Was McKenzie hurt? Had the pass rush failed to show up yet? Champ Bailey probably picks off that pass and heads the other way for 6. So does Woodson, C. McAllister, Ty Law and a few other shut down corners. There is a reason Green Bay dealt this guy for a second round pick. You don\'t let a shutdown corner go for any amount of discontent. Look at Ty Law. He was malcontent as well. The Patriots put him in time out but they never would have traded him or waived him. [Edited on 6/1/2005 by stockman311] Yea ur right MM didnt create any turnovers or anything like that...Oh corners gets beat it will happen, its just when they get A Molden beat is when its a problem. MM is a t :casstet: op 10 corner

01-06-2005, 05:00 PM	#19
Lifer Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 69	McKenzie was the main reason No corner, shut down or not never gives up a play. See Monday night game with Chad Johnson torching the Champ all night long. ...I don\'t think McKenzie is a Champ Bailey, Ty Law or Macallister but he is a very good corner, the best the Saints have. Lest you forget Muhammed was the top receiver in the NFL this year.
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01-07-2005, 07:42 AM	#20
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	McKenzie was the main reason Couple of things -- the first few games McKenzie was in uniform a couple of things hindered him from being effective. One was that he did not know the system and 2 he is much more effective in man to man coverage. The second thing is that his presence allowed the Saints to play a much more aggressive defense which allowed our strengths (i.e. the defensive linemen) to rush the QB. He was largely responsible for us changing to that more aggressive D which allowed all of the other players to step up.
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