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In Sean Payton's defense; He was only out-coached on Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays this year. We are the most predictable team in football thanks to "brilliant" coaching. I see him with Jacksonville next year. And he can take Rob with him.
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Thank You For Your Services:
Mickey Loomis, General Manager; keep him for cap Services limited to cap appraisal; need someone who has a better sense of projecting cap worthiness and for talent assessment; as good as Payton has been as a Field Marshall, the net sum of his talent decisions are questionable at best; the Byrd Contract was a terrible decision and yet another exhibit of the colossal fumbles made in free agency; need a general manager who can challenge and make Payton and the roster better... Joe Vitt, Linebackers Coach, Asst Head Coach; two fold decision as he's failed to develop one linebacker since he's been here and it takes away a comfort for Payton to remind him all are expendable; and he can take his son, who's been one of our ineffective scouts with him... Greg McMahon, Special Teams; it's only a matter of time until he reduces Jalen Saunders to a transaction casualty; the special teams or kicking unit has rarely giving this team an advantage with the exception of recently added Saunders; also it takes away a comfort piece for Payton... Bill Johnson, Defensive Line Coach; keep hearing regurgitated stories by media types what an excellent defensive line coach he is, but whether it's a lack of talent, inability to develop players, or failure to motivate his unit, but the total ineffectiveness of the defensive line is abyssmal... Brett Ingalls, Offensive Line Coach; obviously too cozy with these guys; tougher more objective individual assessments are needed as an overall failure to apprise the reality that the offensive line is too old, too immobile and now too ineffective; the ill-effects of influence of Evans and Grubbs to retain and start Goodwin contributed to decline of this unit and the ever more common breakdown of this unit late in games... Junior Galette, Third Down Occasionally Effective Against Reserve Offensive Linemen Tweener Pass Rusher; well, Will Smith could at least shore up the run on his side even if both of these overpaid pretenders could never help generate a base set pass rush; Kasim Edebali has been as effective and has a more friendly cap number; Galette's Twitter activities have shown to be a distraction at the least and there' seems to be something to the smoke of his presence in the locker room; Galette would have a front end hit of 14.1 mil of dead money and .7 mil/year through 2018; he's got to go... David Hawthorne or Curtis Lofton, Two-Down Thumpers; if we ever do get the personnel to move to an effective 3-4 base, only one of these guys can take the field as both on the field is a liability; cutting them does have cap ramifications (TYML - Thank You, Mickey Loomis); Post June 1st, Lofton has a cap number of 9 mil/2015 with 2 mil in dead money and 7 mil in savings, though there's 3 mil total dead money through 2017; Cutting Hawthorne, whose cap number is just north of 6 mil, would have a net savings of just two mil with dead money of just over 1.5 mil/year; I'd definitely cut Hawthorne as his fundamentals breakdowns have been more costly... Evans and Grubbs, Interior Guards; this will be a controversial decision, especially with the cap ramifications - but I'd cut Post June 1 both Evans (11 mil cap number, 3.5 mil dead money/7 mil savings) and Grubbs (9.6 mil cap number, 3 mil dead money/6.6 mil savings); for Evans, father time has caught up to him; saw recent video of him running off the field and he looked like he was laboring, not what you need in a right guard - the position that the run game usually gets sparked, started; Grubbs was an absolutely horrible decision from the start as the Saints would have been better off paying Nicks the one mil more it'd cost; Grubbs has been thrown around by supposedly lesser defenders and seems to lose his assignment when the ball is snapped; I'd take the cap hit hell now and start building around a younger offensive line to better protect Brees and rejuvenate a run game... Broderick Bunkley, Nose Tackle; this will be a post June 1 cut, but the savings of 4.5 mil /year against his 6 mil cap number and his 32 years of age coming off a season ending injury are pretty hard to ignore... Double Secret Probation Jairius Byrd, Safety; ABC - Another Bad Contract; if Byrd continues to show what he showed in Buffalo, a total inability to stay on the field for a season, then we cut him post June 1, 2016; then we take the lump of 2 mil in dead money all the way through 2019; Byrd will be 29 yrs of age next season but will have all the surgeries and mileage of veteran well north of thirty; Damnit this was a bad, really bad contract... Zach Strief, Right Tackle; no matter what the emotional energy is, we can't replace the entire line right away, but he's a major liability because of his age and ever declining mobility - especially in the screen game and run stretch options; cutting him post Jun 1 would result in dead money of 1.1 mil/year through 2018; I'd focus on the guards, and if something better falls into our laps, say a better left tackle than Armstead (allowing Armstead to move to right tackle) or just a better right tackle; just going to have to ride this out... |
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The point sttands though,if the same players are listening t the same voices saying the same things they switch off. |
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I like Skuta, should be cheap and has a fiery attitude. |
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Graham will be so Clay is a no go. I don't want Flowers, he is a good CB but he is 5'9 and look at the rest of the south Tampa (Evans/Jackson) Falcons (Jones/White) Carolina (Benjamin) all big(except White) really physical receiverd. Good player wrong division. Vereen is just a no for me. Good in the passing game but can't run on shorter downs. Pierre Thomas cheaper and better allround. Cox would be a great addition. Britt injury history worries me I would see if Carl Nicks is retired of gancies a come back. I'd also call Richie Incognito, I dont like him but no way he puts up with the way our line has played this year. He will be cheap and at worst a great back up |
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teddybarexxx, :rofl: ... oh wait, we're talking about players? nevermind. :neutral:
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I'm a Saints fan, not a Brees fan, or Jimmy Graham,Marques Colston, Cameron Jordan along with any other player that is on this team. They will come and go. They are just pieces to an ugly team that we have, so I'm just using them for an example. I hope SP, cuts through this staff like a bad horror movie.
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Incognito was also on my mind, but I think that he would just maximize the crap we have and not be a leader type a guy.
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After all the high draft picks and free agent signings, the defense should be dominating. Too many misses, so first heads to roll needs to be the part of the scouting department that is in charge of the defense. As bad as the defense was this year and your second round CB doesn't crack the field and a 4th round LB doesn't make the team, major issue on the scouts and the people drafting the players.
Shayne Graham - I normally have no issues with a guy who is pretty much automatic from 40 yards in, but seriously, not letting a guy attempt a 52 yard field goal in the dome is alarming. Needs to be replaced. Colston - Best all time WR for the Saints, lost the speed a few years ago, and now drops passes. Time to go. Lorig - The best FB on the Saints roster is on IR, time to move on. Goodwin - Aging veteran, obvious by even casual observers that he has declined, time to retire. Jimmy Graham - Disappears in big games, any trade partners to an AFC team? Corey White - probably the worst of a weak group, needs to go. Byrd - Was not a difference maker when in the line up, any way to get out of that big contract? |
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Canīt trade Graham --> Dead Money
Can`t trade Galette --> Dead Money Can`t trade Byrd --> Dead Money as simply as it is. No way out on those players! |
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As for the scouting department they are horrible. Give me one 1st round pick since 2007 that was any good.
I only give you a few examples: Robert Meachem --> one trick pony, horrible hands Sedrick Ellis --> fat, lazy, horrible bust Malcolm Jenkins --> from the way he is playing for the Eagles we completely missused him Patrick Robinson --> maybe coming back, but looks overmatched and lost on the field Cameron Jordan --> flashes of brilliance, will ask for a huge payday, too expensive and inconsistant to keep Mark Ingram, Jr. --> good RB, wrong system, should have been traded a long time ago. was a panick pick after all the RB went down before the Seattle playoff game Kenny Vaccaro --> maybe coming back strong, needs some serious coaching, horrible tackling technique Brandin Cooks --> sexy pick, will have some big plays.. but paid way too much, could have gotten Benjamin as well so DB that didnīt work, WR that are only okay, a running back to the wrong system and one solid DL. Where is the Dline help, Passrushers, nasty Oline players? Too much tinkering, too little bad ass football. |
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Drafting in the 7-14 range should help a bit in finding us an upgrade, but finances are really holding us back from adding anyone this offseason in FA. I believe we draft Defense round 1 unless by some miracle Amari Cooper is sitting there in front of us, which i highly doubt. Couple of options id like in that 7-14 range would be Shaq Thompson & Marcus Peters or maybe Benardrick Mckinney later. Id much rather trade back & gain picks of course. Feel as though theres a deeper crop of OL & pass rushers in this draft that we could select later in Rd 1 or 2 so id rather not spend a high(er) pick on those positions, but would be ok with any of the top tackles(scherff, collins, ogbuehi, stanley, flowers) As for Big Rob, one great year followed by one bad. But i cant justify giving him his papers bc of one season, despite the mess that it was. It comes down to Joe Vitt, Greg Mcmahon, Bill Johnson & Wes Mcgriff not getting the job done. Joe Vitt is just not the answer...im over seeing the units we put out on the field year after year just stink it up. IF we do move in another direction heres the two at the top of my list: Ken Norton JR - could definitely change our LB group like he's had part in doing during his time with Seattle(Wagner, KJ, Malcolm, Irvin.) Jim Tomsula - we all know what he' done there in San Fran. |
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When is this Micheal Kwon kid from LSU ready? Itīs insane what kind of talent LSU "produced" in this draft class: Beckham, Landry, Hill, Blue
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Why pay Byrd all that money when we could've signed our own for cheaper and more production (Malcolm Jenkins)? I know we had some crybabies on here that dislike the idea but he was a baller here, just didn't have the interceptions.
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Baller? He did miss a ton of tackles so I understand why we didn`t resign him. What I didn`t understand was the Byrd signing, we should have gotten after OL help and Passrush / LB
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I think some of tge criticism of Byrd has been unfair. He was lining up deep which seems to be what was asked of him and the front 7 got no pressure either. Add that to a new scheme and playing alongside a struggling SS in Vaccaro both og whom were coming of injuries I think being too critical is wrong. Whether he was the right signing is another matter. I like him and feel with a front 7 creating pressure he will show his worth.
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O: Colston (unless he can re-work for far less money), Meachem, Watson, Lorig, Evans, Grubbs, and Goodwin. Likely will lose Ingram too.
D: Ball, White, Haralson, Humber, Bunkley, Dixon, SJB, Hawthorne. ST: Graham 1 more year: Toon, Vaccaro, and Prob It does look like we have finally replaced Roby at KR/PR. The interior of the offensive line, second CB spot, and LB are the weak links. |
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Has done one heck of a job. |
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I see that people mention Benjamin in this thread. I don't know do you watch full games or just highlights?
He is basically only receiving target out there (with Olsen who is TE). He is inconsistent at best. He makes one catch (highlight material) and then drops the next one. Poor route runner. Quits on plays (majority of Cam's INTs are Benjamin fault). Cooks, Mathews (Philly) , Landry, Bryant (PIT)... They all are better talents than Benjamin. |
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get rid of S.P. and Brees?? lol I even saw some get rid of Grahams in here....GRAHAM WAS HURT!! had he sat out he'd still get negativity. Brees and S.P. had two bad years and they gotta go??? Some of you are spoiled!!!!! To fix the team is simple....fix the o line and get a better defensive coordinator
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Common fans dont realize how good of a job he's done & the name he's been making for himself. Former LB that has not only developed this outstanding seahawks group, but remember the run of USC linebackers that came out? Guess who was coaching that group? Yep, Ken Norton. Now im not gonna say he was the direct root to the success of Cushing, Matthews & Maualuga, but he's definitely had a great hand in grooming & putting out some tremendous talent. Something we desperately need! Was with USC from 2004-2009, then went over to seattle from there. Ha, i remember having a few of his cards when he was over in San Fran playing. Had a nice rookie...some good times. |
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If Harbaugh departs, love to raid the 49ers defensive coaching staff and offensive line coach...
But we've still got to get the scouting department revamped as well because they'll be as effective as the players they get... The nasty edge would be a good change for this team... |
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