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I know a few people mentioned it before, but I have to ask again because I saw no clear answer. What is the deal with the soft coverage on almost every play. The worst examples was when it would constantly be 3rd and short. Our CBs would literally be in press coverage position then drop a few yards behind the first down marker right before the ball was snapped. This resulted in many first downs as well as opened up the screen game for Atlanta.

If anyone comes across an article explaining what the benefit of that kind of D is, please share.

I'm so confused by it!

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The Atlanta offense is pretty good and the D held up yesterday. The Atlanta D had 16 sacks on the season going into the game but sacked Drew 5 or 6 times. If we should fire anyone it'd be the O-Line coach. In what was essentially a playoff game, we showed little fire or effort. This team has no leadership and I suspect there are problems behind closed doors. Is RR the problem? Personally, I like RR. I hope we keep him.

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Building continuity. I like it. A lot of us (myself included) also lose sight that this is kinda like Payton's 2nd year as a HC.

Like it or not, we are seeing the effects of that Bounty Gate crap. Call it a cop out or what not for the way this year has unfolded at 7-9 or 6-10 if you like, but losing TWO 2nd Round draft picks or having the option of trading those picks for veterans with leadership qualities and most importantly breaking the continuity of leadership Sean Payton had between 2011 & 2013 showed up in 2014.

Call me stupid for saying so, but I've been called much, much worse.

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Payton lost the fire. But you had better believe that the fire is back and Payton will right this ship.

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Yeah the D has been pretty poor for most of the year

However let's not forget the Payton's vaunted offense, scored 14 points vs the 31st ranked passing defense, aswell as letting them get 5 sacks and 4 turnovers

Bottom line is, if we scored a TD in the 2 min drill we win the game, but once again Brees throws a back breaking pick.

Positional coaches definitely need to go, I've got a feeling that Ryan will be given another year.

Ryan wasn't out there missing tackles and not being able to stay with receivers, thats what happens when 3/4ths of your D are late round picks and UDFA's.

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They played loose coverage all year, and this is honestly my most hated aspect of any defensive scheme. We could play a 1-5-5 all game and I would care less than the ****ty off-man coverage.

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Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here?

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I'm a 3rd String Armchair QB with a bad back & bad brain.

Thanks for the offer...but no thanks dude. Regardless of contract.

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After yesterdays debacle; why is he still here? The question is not should we, it's why haven't we.......................??????????????????

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+1. We allow too many players/coaches to 'hang around'. Time to produce or show you the door. Our scouts have done a horrible job at evaluating talent.

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We have "scouts"?

Dang. They get paid, too, I reckon?

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Every team has this same issue, if he can't motivate them then he is 100% the problem. That's his job. I think anyway. SP too.

One thing I will say, we didn't lose this past week because of the defense.

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Hay, much much worse. I think you are right.

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I disagree. The defense was just as horrible as the offense. Both sides stunk. I don't think Matt Ryan even had to wash his uniform after the game.

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Defense did more than expected against atl.....if offense can't sustain and keep the defense on the field all game yesterday's game will look like it did......d held atl in check for nearly the first half while offense stunk it up....so I say give him another chance at least half season next year he did work a miracle with this d with the same positions coach he deserves a pass to me

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I think our offense made our defense much worse than it is. Not saying that they shouldn't get a lot of the blame but I would give him one more year.

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I don't know what the final numbers will look like at the end of the year, but the EYEBALL test tells me that, this defense is probably every bit as bad as the 2012 "Worst In History" unit.

The only real difference I see, is the 2012 defense gave up a few more colossal failures on epic big ugly plays in each game. (RGIII's coming out party, the big Jamaal Charles run, the Vincent Jackson pass where Malcolm Jenkins chased him down on the goal line, DeAngelo Williams breaking loose for a 65-yard run, etc. etc). These few plays, of course made the yardage totals go up, the stats were a bit more horrible, but in actual practice the two defenses of 2012 and 2014 are basically both the same: completely impotent, when you get right down to it.

Think about what you saw. The defense this year was the exact same as 2012! The other team would line up, get in their base offense, run, pass, scramble, pick us apart. They'd do whatever they wanted to do, and strut down the field to score, without any push back or opposition from the Saints.

No turnovers, no game changing plays, no decisive sacks, no nothing. No adjustments were ever needed from the other team's QB or coaches, EVER. Whether it was 1st down, 2nd down, or 3rd down, late in the game or early, it didn't matter. The result was always the same. The other team would just march down the field and score whatever points they needed to score. Again and again, this defense could NOT stop anybody. Just like 2012.

The only truly stout games they had were against QBs who were injured: Rodgers (hamstring), and Roethlesberger (hand). And in both those games, before the injuries happened or when the injuries wore off (1st half Green Bay and 4th quarter Steelers), the other team moved the ball pretty much at will against the pitiful Saints. Oh, and they looked good against the Bears. I guess that is something?

I don't know whether you fire Ryan or not, but at minimum he definitely needs to be taken behind the woodshed and roughed up a bit. On paper it would seem strange if Spagnuolo got the sack for his bad defense, and Ryan gets a pass for his, but who knows.

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I would fire him (schemes etc.) but he was working with this:

https://vine.co/v/OXIdrM3tQKw


Prob. WTF.

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All I could do is shake my head :confused: I simply don't see a roster spot for PRob in 2015. He has been a disappointment or me.

Dixon, Frederick have played better.

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P-Rob is fine at nickel, but I doubt we keep him. White is also decent at nickel and Dixon/Frederick have not embarrassed themselves.

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I love Frederick's closing speed, he gets to the player fast

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Ryan has been average everywhere he has been. There's better out there. He'll never be as good as he thinks he is.

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As long as there is someone better out there lets go for it.

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That's what I'm starting to think ... there's always an excuse for him getting mediocre results, but when has he really excelled as a DC? Maybe give him one more year, but you really got to start considering his history at some point, :neutral:.

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I say give him one more year! . . . . . . . . and please! please! please! someone teach our players to tackle properly!!!!

Its basic stuff and its what you are being paid large sums of money to do!!!

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no

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1 great year, 1 awful year... Let's give him one more year to see which one is the real Rob Ryan defense. The whole thing could be dramatically improved with a genuinely decent #2 CB.

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The one thing that concerns me with RR is that he does not seem to be able to instruct the players.

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Rob Ryan has never been a good teacher and always relies on his position coaches to do that part. His teams in Dallas were bad tacklers as well.

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We should have hired Romeo. If Wade remains unemployed I hope we hire him.

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I would blame that more on the awful position coaches we have. In Payton's tenure we have never developed any defensive talent because our position coaches are among the worst in the NFL. It amazes me they have jobs.

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i have reached a conclusion.

his defense will never win us a division title. he will never field a defense that is to be feared just respected at best. if that

all he needs to do is field a top 25 defense. which is what his track record is anyways.

Leave the rest to the offense. this off season is all about fixing the OL and whatever he can field is what he can field.

it all goes through drew

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Yes, and somehow we need to find a LB or two that can frigan run and tackle. Jesus Christmas how can we not find anybody that can play the frigan spot well enough. Who is the LB coach?

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Tackling has been a problem not only with Ryan being here that problem goes way back. I blame that simple problem on all them not teaching fundamental football.

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I feel like it is an attitude, what do you think? Like you're either nasty or you're not??

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Our best year tackling in recent memory was 2013, which coincidentally was the year our defense finished 4th.

I'm thinking there may be a connection there.

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Know what I noticed one game watching Seattle? They almost always make a tackle immediately after the guy catches the ball. No free yards. You earn everything against them.