Something seriously wrong in this organization
 

Honestly, there has to be something wrong with this organizatiom stemming somewhere from the top. Whether it is Mickey Loomis, the scouting department, or some of the coaches. How can you lose with the "talent" we have. I think we're either seriously bad at evaluating or developing talent. You're telling me other teams would miss as bad as we have in free agency or the draft like we have? I feel like any other team with the weapons we have on both sides of the ball would have a phenomenal season. You're telling me if Denver drafted KVac or signed Byrd they would've played that poorly? Or if they had Cam Jordan he would have the season he's had here? What about Kenny Stills (not to say he hasnt played well) but he has tremendous talent and would be a phenomenal wide receiver in other well coached programs.

There's something wrong with this organization and I feel we're a few weeks away from a big article revealing another scandal or some sort of tear between players/ coaches/ management in the organization. I just can't put my finger on it, but how else can you explain this season?

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Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players

2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players.

The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day.

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Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo.

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Great analogy. I think the Saints lost the recipe. It's all about chemistry and character. That's what got the Saints to the SB. This batch of players seems to be all in it for "me".

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True, but the difference between the "Dream Team" and us was that we have a HoF QB. I mean sure Mike Vick made it look flashy, but he was never even close to Brees level of play.
I just find it hard to have a losing season with a Hall of Fame QB, a good run game, and good receiving weapons. Something got overlooked somewhere in the off season. Plus that draft we had was abysmal so far. I mean unless SJB comes out and plays at a pro bowl level i don't see how it wasn't the worst draft in the SP era.

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the no# 1 thing that I really believe happened to this team is overall
leadership. varcaro said it best when asked when harper went so did a leader, vilma not there that guy helped carry this team to a championship, i'm not going to mention the one in prison. yes its leadership' guys it goes a long ways in team sports i'm sure most of u played as I and tell me i'm wrong.

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The most important positions on the field got overlooked on both sides of the ball. The O-line and D-line were not upgraded at all, in-fact you could argue we downgraded positions this year. It doesn't matter how good Brees is if he doesn't have time. It doesn't matter how good Lewis and Byrd are if there is no pass rush.

You win and lose games in the trenches and unfortunately this scouting department lost sight of that. Look at what Dallas has done by upgrading their lines...

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We didn't have this problem when Loomis was the dedicated GM over football. Free Loomis in 2015.

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I do wonder if Loomis has too much on his plate?:argue:

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All but about 2-4 games this year we were thoroughly beat upfront on both sides of the ball.

That and what someone else said- "they worked their butts off"

We looked lazy and unmotivated. Like Rocky before the fight with Mr. T

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There it is!

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They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

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overreaction, party of 1

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True, but my original post was intended to show that just because a team signs great players does not mean they will be a great team

How excited did we get when we signed Byrd? And how often was he out of position in the 4 weeks he was healthy?

The answer to both of those questions is a hell of a lot.

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Byrd was bad because we really only signed one big player on D but he got hurt and he had back surgery and missed most of training camp. Then we draft a CB who was not NFL ready. I admit I wanted him because of the name, he had a very saints-like name. I think he's going to play well Sunday if he plays. However, our offense is just as much to blame. We did not address our OL at all. And also, we have to take the schedule into consideration, quit buying the "you play what's on your schedule" and start considering the "you play, based on your schedule". I knew our defense was going to have a tougher challenge this year when you factor the offenses we played compared to last season. And most defenses had these problems against these teams. That was where it showed Drew needed OL help because he could not put teams away like in the past. Was it Kromer? Was it Nicks? That has to be figured out what's affecting the OL play and Drew's production. I feel Drew's becoming a diva letting his fanbase and team get slaughtered by naysayers if its true he's playing uninspired because his defense won't get him a turnover to give him a short field. I REALLY hope that is not true.

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Some of you kinda missed the point of my post.
I understand that just because you get players through free agency and the draft you might not be successful, but i feel like we completely missed in some aspects. Whether its the person evaluating these players or the people responsible in helping these players progress on the field and in games. I feel somewhere along the line its just not getting done right and we need a change before it is way beyond our time (drews time). I feel compared to other successful organizations such as Denver, San Fran, Seattle, New England, we are lacking in the scouting or development of talent.

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The fact Baptiste hasn't played any considerable amount of snaps in any game scares me really badly. I mean how could you reach that badly on a pick in the 2nd round and still not even stick him into the fire to see what he's made of especially with the clowns we had at CB this year...

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I agree, if he is so bad that car salesman from the street are starting over him then he needs to be cut now. He is already too old to invest more time in.

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My 1st responce is horsesh*t...
I'm already moved on and ready to reload for next year.
That includes Drew as our QB.
and RR as our D Cooridinator

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Coaching is the problem.

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Defense was horrible cause they felt too comfortable and relax that they weren't going to be inactive or waived. Those same players that was scared of their jobs when Payton return played lights out ( A hicks, g foster, galette, j Jenkins) last year. Payton returned from that suspension firing DC, waiving Johnny Patrick & Martez Wilson which were 3rd rd picks in 2011 also cutting Garret Hartley for missing a 26 yd field goal. Next year hopefully, Payton will start cutting the dead weight again.

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They looked like they didn't want to be there in the games they "blew"

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Not if your career depends on it like mine does.




But I agree with your point.

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I too, have wondered the same thing. Ever since he has had to deal with the Pelicans and the Saints he's been virtually non-existant. I didn't feel from the beginning one person could handle both jobs.