Something seriously wrong in this organization

VegasSaint9 · 12-23-2014, 01:35 PM

Honestly, there has to be something wrong with this organizatiom stemming somewhere from the top. Whether it is Mickey Loomis, the scouting department, or some of the coaches. How can you lose with the "talent" we have. I think we're either seriously bad at evaluating or developing talent. You're telling me other teams would miss as bad as we have in free agency or the draft like we have? I feel like any other team with the weapons we have on both sides of the ball would have a phenomenal season. You're telling me if Denver drafted KVac or signed Byrd they would've played that poorly? Or if they had Cam Jordan he would have the season he's had here? What about Kenny Stills (not to say he hasnt played well) but he has tremendous talent and would be a phenomenal wide receiver in other well coached programs.

There's something wrong with this organization and I feel we're a few weeks away from a big article revealing another scandal or some sort of tear between players/ coaches/ management in the organization. I just can't put my finger on it, but how else can you explain this season?

dizzle88 · 12-23-2014, 01:41 PM

Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players

2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players.

The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day.

VegasSaint9 · 12-23-2014, 01:56 PM

True, but the difference between the "Dream Team" and us was that we have a HoF QB. I mean sure Mike Vick made it look flashy, but he was never even close to Brees level of play.
I just find it hard to have a losing season with a Hall of Fame QB, a good run game, and good receiving weapons. Something got overlooked somewhere in the off season. Plus that draft we had was abysmal so far. I mean unless SJB comes out and plays at a pro bowl level i don't see how it wasn't the worst draft in the SP era.

blackangold · 12-23-2014, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

True, but the difference between the "Dream Team" and us was that we have a HoF QB. I mean sure Mike Vick made it look flashy, but he was never even close to Brees level of play.
I just find it hard to have a losing season with a Hall of Fame QB, a good run game, and good receiving weapons. Something got overlooked somewhere in the off season. Plus that draft we had was abysmal so far. I mean unless SJB comes out and plays at a pro bowl level i don't see how it wasn't the worst draft in the SP era.

The most important positions on the field got overlooked on both sides of the ball. The O-line and D-line were not upgraded at all, in-fact you could argue we downgraded positions this year. It doesn't matter how good Brees is if he doesn't have time. It doesn't matter how good Lewis and Byrd are if there is no pass rush.

You win and lose games in the trenches and unfortunately this scouting department lost sight of that. Look at what Dallas has done by upgrading their lines...

WillSaints81 · 12-23-2014, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players

2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players.

The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day.

They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

dizzle88 · 12-23-2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

True, but my original post was intended to show that just because a team signs great players does not mean they will be a great team

How excited did we get when we signed Byrd? And how often was he out of position in the 4 weeks he was healthy?

The answer to both of those questions is a hell of a lot.

Danno · 12-23-2014, 01:42 PM

Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo.

dam1953 · 12-23-2014, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo.

Great analogy. I think the Saints lost the recipe. It's all about chemistry and character. That's what got the Saints to the SB. This batch of players seems to be all in it for "me".

The Dude · 12-24-2014, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo.

Not if your career depends on it like mine does.

But I agree with your point.

st thomas · 12-23-2014, 02:26 PM

the no# 1 thing that I really believe happened to this team is overall
leadership. varcaro said it best when asked when harper went so did a leader, vilma not there that guy helped carry this team to a championship, i'm not going to mention the one in prison. yes its leadership' guys it goes a long ways in team sports i'm sure most of u played as I and tell me i'm wrong.

12-23-2014, 01:35 PM	#1
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Something seriously wrong in this organization Honestly, there has to be something wrong with this organizatiom stemming somewhere from the top. Whether it is Mickey Loomis, the scouting department, or some of the coaches. How can you lose with the "talent" we have. I think we're either seriously bad at evaluating or developing talent. You're telling me other teams would miss as bad as we have in free agency or the draft like we have? I feel like any other team with the weapons we have on both sides of the ball would have a phenomenal season. You're telling me if Denver drafted KVac or signed Byrd they would've played that poorly? Or if they had Cam Jordan he would have the season he's had here? What about Kenny Stills (not to say he hasnt played well) but he has tremendous talent and would be a phenomenal wide receiver in other well coached programs. There's something wrong with this organization and I feel we're a few weeks away from a big article revealing another scandal or some sort of tear between players/ coaches/ management in the organization. I just can't put my finger on it, but how else can you explain this season?

12-23-2014, 01:41 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players 2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players. The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day. spkb25, RailBoss, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

12-23-2014, 01:56 PM	#3
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization True, but the difference between the "Dream Team" and us was that we have a HoF QB. I mean sure Mike Vick made it look flashy, but he was never even close to Brees level of play. I just find it hard to have a losing season with a Hall of Fame QB, a good run game, and good receiving weapons. Something got overlooked somewhere in the off season. Plus that draft we had was abysmal so far. I mean unless SJB comes out and plays at a pro bowl level i don't see how it wasn't the worst draft in the SP era.

12-23-2014, 02:30 PM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 True, but the difference between the "Dream Team" and us was that we have a HoF QB. I mean sure Mike Vick made it look flashy, but he was never even close to Brees level of play. I just find it hard to have a losing season with a Hall of Fame QB, a good run game, and good receiving weapons. Something got overlooked somewhere in the off season. Plus that draft we had was abysmal so far. I mean unless SJB comes out and plays at a pro bowl level i don't see how it wasn't the worst draft in the SP era. The most important positions on the field got overlooked on both sides of the ball. The O-line and D-line were not upgraded at all, in-fact you could argue we downgraded positions this year. It doesn't matter how good Brees is if he doesn't have time. It doesn't matter how good Lewis and Byrd are if there is no pass rush. You win and lose games in the trenches and unfortunately this scouting department lost sight of that. Look at what Dallas has done by upgrading their lines... spkb25 likes this.

12-23-2014, 07:56 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by dizzle88 Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players 2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players. The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day. They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

12-23-2014, 08:00 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by WillSaints81 They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after. True, but my original post was intended to show that just because a team signs great players does not mean they will be a great team How excited did we get when we signed Byrd? And how often was he out of position in the 4 weeks he was healthy? The answer to both of those questions is a hell of a lot.

12-23-2014, 01:42 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo. lumm0x, spkb25, RailBoss and 5 others like this.

12-23-2014, 01:54 PM	#8
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by Danno Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo. Great analogy. I think the Saints lost the recipe. It's all about chemistry and character. That's what got the Saints to the SB. This batch of players seems to be all in it for "me".

12-24-2014, 04:21 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by Danno Even with all the necessary ingredients you sometimes make a bad pot of Gumbo. Not if your career depends on it like mine does. But I agree with your point.
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12-23-2014, 02:26 PM	#10
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization the no# 1 thing that I really believe happened to this team is overall leadership. varcaro said it best when asked when harper went so did a leader, vilma not there that guy helped carry this team to a championship, i'm not going to mention the one in prison. yes its leadership' guys it goes a long ways in team sports i'm sure most of u played as I and tell me i'm wrong.

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