SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren?

Danno · 12-24-2014, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Which begs the question, why the hell did our FO waive him?

Do any of the coaches even know what they are doing? He was easily our best defender in preseason and probably regular season too.

We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's.

We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety.

Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri).

Warren is a pure centerfield safety.

dizzle88 · 12-24-2014, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's.

We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety.

Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri).

Warren is a pure centerfield safety.

That's fair enough when you explain it like that, I just hope Warrens done enough to prove to the coaches they made a big mistake letting him go originally

He and Byrd could make a fantastic coverage tandem next year in obvious passing downs.

blackangold · 12-25-2014, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's.

We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety.

Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri).

Warren is a pure centerfield safety.

The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up.

Danno · 12-25-2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up.

Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

blackangold · 12-25-2014, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling.

Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2...

nola_swammi · 12-28-2014, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling.

Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2...

Sure he had a down sophomore yr but to trade a 1st rounder who had played like a vet his rookie year, you want to trade him? That's crazy! What will you say if warren have a bad sophomore year?

hagan714 · 12-28-2014, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling.

Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2...

come on now leave scott out of this. they brought in fA and drafted players to replace him and he always played. give the some credit.

Neither Kenny or Warren were very good tacklers this year. so i have to agree. my sister could break many of those lip noodle arm tackles and so called big hit tackles so many bounced off of.

but with the way we tackled as a team i hate to go dual so so tackling safeties back there.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

How the FO let him go is baffling...

Really puts their credibility on shaky ground at best...

gee i wonder who that could have been? i do not think the FO had a thing to do with this one. just look at the group carbon copied talent as a whole and the answer is pretty clear.

if it is the front office because they signed so many FA and added a player in the draft it is a saving face move that blew up and yep he should be shown the door with a few of these players he used to protect himself with.

12-24-2014, 09:37 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Which begs the question, why the hell did our FO waive him? Do any of the coaches even know what they are doing? He was easily our best defender in preseason and probably regular season too. We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's. We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety. Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri). Warren is a pure centerfield safety.

12-24-2014, 09:56 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by Danno We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's. We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety. Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri). Warren is a pure centerfield safety. That's fair enough when you explain it like that, I just hope Warrens done enough to prove to the coaches they made a big mistake letting him go originally He and Byrd could make a fantastic coverage tandem next year in obvious passing downs. MarchingOn likes this.

12-25-2014, 07:20 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by Danno We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's. We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety. Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri). Warren is a pure centerfield safety. The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up. ChrisXVI and MarchingOn like this.

12-25-2014, 08:00 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by blackangold The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up. Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

12-25-2014, 08:36 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by Danno Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle. I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling. Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2... hagan714 likes this.

12-28-2014, 01:54 AM	#6
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling. Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2... Sure he had a down sophomore yr but to trade a 1st rounder who had played like a vet his rookie year, you want to trade him? That's crazy! What will you say if warren have a bad sophomore year?

12-28-2014, 06:21 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling. Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2... come on now leave scott out of this. they brought in fA and drafted players to replace him and he always played. give the some credit. Neither Kenny or Warren were very good tacklers this year. so i have to agree. my sister could break many of those lip noodle arm tackles and so called big hit tackles so many bounced off of. but with the way we tackled as a team i hate to go dual so so tackling safeties back there. Originally Posted by jeanpierre How the FO let him go is baffling... Really puts their credibility on shaky ground at best... gee i wonder who that could have been? i do not think the FO had a thing to do with this one. just look at the group carbon copied talent as a whole and the answer is pretty clear. if it is the front office because they signed so many FA and added a player in the draft it is a saving face move that blew up and yep he should be shown the door with a few of these players he used to protect himself with.
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