SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren?

blackangold · 12-25-2014, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's.

We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety.

Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri).

Warren is a pure centerfield safety.

The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up.

Danno · 12-25-2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up.

Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

blackangold · 12-25-2014, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling.

Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2...

Jack Vegas · 12-24-2014, 09:49 AM

Good for this young man, I like him a lot. Think there's a strong possibility he is a nickel defender next year with Bush getting cut/traded.

halloween 65 · 12-24-2014, 09:59 AM

I think with Byrd and Warren FS is set. Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. Lewis, Robinson and a #2 FA CB we will be in pretty good shape in the backfield. White still plays well in the slot and with the best ILB in the draft and a NT in the draft we could be a really good D. My players I'll be watching from this year for improvement is Edibali and Powell if they can step up at the OLB position look out. JR. on passing downs makes taking another speed rusher in the draft a bad move in my book anyway. We have a high dollar 1 trick pony that is good at what he does the best already. But none of this will matter without the front push so give me my stud NT.

hagan714 · 12-25-2014, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I think with Byrd and Warren FS is set.

I can go with this

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. .

I can not go with this

VegasSaint9 · 12-25-2014, 02:15 PM

I'd like byrd and warren overtop then maybe have vaccaro play down by scrimmage next year. It'd only work if we could get ANY pressure on the QB though. The D line stunk it up just as bad as the secondary.

Danno · 12-25-2014, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Originally Posted by halloween 65 View Post
Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. .

I can not go with this

Why not Vaccaro and Sunseri? I'm assuming Bush will also be on the team so I think it looks good (on paper). I think Vaccaro went through a Sophomore slump. I think he improves greatly his 3rd season.

hagan714 · 12-26-2014, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Why not Vaccaro and Sunseri? I'm assuming Bush will also be on the team so I think it looks good (on paper). I think Vaccaro went through a Sophomore slump. I think he improves greatly his 3rd season.

Vaccaro - Both Rob andKenny have admitted he is better suited as a hybrid S/CB than as a true SS. Sophomore slump is not the issue as much as trying to turn him into something even his college coaches knew he was not. true SS

as for the rest

Bush - solid back up that is all. not a starter
Sunseri - special teams developmental that has not shown enough yet.

conclusion Byrd does not have a SS back there to him maximize his skill set and justify that cap hit.

Just like we build around Drew now we need to build around Byrd also.

kenny has a spot on this team lining up all over the place driving a QB and WR crazy.

Warren as a dull set with Byrd? sorry he has not shown he can tackle in the open well enough much less plug lanes to help the defense against the run. he may make us regret the cap hit of Byrd down the road but not yet. we have a solid developmental FS now.

those two on the feild on third and mile? yep i can see that

billyt81 · 12-26-2014, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Vaccaro - Both Rob andKenny have admitted he is better suited as a hybrid S/CB than as a true SS. Sophomore slump is not the issue as much as trying to turn him into something even his college coaches knew he was not. true SS

as for the rest

Bush - solid back up that is all. not a starter
Sunseri - special teams developmental that has not shown enough yet.

conclusion Byrd does not have a SS back there to him maximize his skill set and justify that cap hit.

Just like we build around Drew now we need to build around Byrd also.

kenny has a spot on this team lining up all over the place driving a QB and WR crazy.

Warren as a dull set with Byrd? sorry he has not shown he can tackle in the open well enough much less plug lanes to help the defense against the run. he may make us regret the cap hit of Byrd down the road but not yet. we have a solid developmental FS now.

those two on the feild on third and mile? yep i can see that

I agree with most of this except the Vaccarro bit. Drive quarterbacks crazy is laughable. Uh-Oh Kenny Vaccarro is over there. I'm scared now. LOL!!!

12-25-2014, 07:20 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by Danno We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's. We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety. Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri). Warren is a pure centerfield safety. The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up. ChrisXVI and MarchingOn like this.

12-25-2014, 08:36 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by Danno Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle. I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling. Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2... hagan714 likes this.

12-24-2014, 09:49 AM	#4
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Good for this young man, I like him a lot. Think there's a strong possibility he is a nickel defender next year with Bush getting cut/traded.
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12-24-2014, 09:59 AM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? I think with Byrd and Warren FS is set. Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. Lewis, Robinson and a #2 FA CB we will be in pretty good shape in the backfield. White still plays well in the slot and with the best ILB in the draft and a NT in the draft we could be a really good D. My players I'll be watching from this year for improvement is Edibali and Powell if they can step up at the OLB position look out. JR. on passing downs makes taking another speed rusher in the draft a bad move in my book anyway. We have a high dollar 1 trick pony that is good at what he does the best already. But none of this will matter without the front push so give me my stud NT. MarchingOn likes this.

12-25-2014, 06:54 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I think with Byrd and Warren FS is set. I can go with this Originally Posted by halloween 65 Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. . I can not go with this

12-25-2014, 08:00 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by blackangold The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up. Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

12-25-2014, 02:15 PM	#7
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? I'd like byrd and warren overtop then maybe have vaccaro play down by scrimmage next year. It'd only work if we could get ANY pressure on the QB though. The D line stunk it up just as bad as the secondary. MarchingOn likes this.

12-25-2014, 04:31 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by hagan714 Originally Posted by halloween 65 View Post Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. . I can not go with this Why not Vaccaro and Sunseri? I'm assuming Bush will also be on the team so I think it looks good (on paper). I think Vaccaro went through a Sophomore slump. I think he improves greatly his 3rd season. ChrisXVI and Lord_Saint83 like this.

12-26-2014, 04:38 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by Danno Why not Vaccaro and Sunseri? I'm assuming Bush will also be on the team so I think it looks good (on paper). I think Vaccaro went through a Sophomore slump. I think he improves greatly his 3rd season. Vaccaro - Both Rob andKenny have admitted he is better suited as a hybrid S/CB than as a true SS. Sophomore slump is not the issue as much as trying to turn him into something even his college coaches knew he was not. true SS as for the rest Bush - solid back up that is all. not a starter Sunseri - special teams developmental that has not shown enough yet. conclusion Byrd does not have a SS back there to him maximize his skill set and justify that cap hit. Just like we build around Drew now we need to build around Byrd also. kenny has a spot on this team lining up all over the place driving a QB and WR crazy. Warren as a dull set with Byrd? sorry he has not shown he can tackle in the open well enough much less plug lanes to help the defense against the run. he may make us regret the cap hit of Byrd down the road but not yet. we have a solid developmental FS now. those two on the feild on third and mile? yep i can see that nola_swammi likes this.
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12-26-2014, 05:53 PM	#10
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren? Originally Posted by hagan714 Vaccaro - Both Rob andKenny have admitted he is better suited as a hybrid S/CB than as a true SS. Sophomore slump is not the issue as much as trying to turn him into something even his college coaches knew he was not. true SS as for the rest Bush - solid back up that is all. not a starter Sunseri - special teams developmental that has not shown enough yet. conclusion Byrd does not have a SS back there to him maximize his skill set and justify that cap hit. Just like we build around Drew now we need to build around Byrd also. kenny has a spot on this team lining up all over the place driving a QB and WR crazy. Warren as a dull set with Byrd? sorry he has not shown he can tackle in the open well enough much less plug lanes to help the defense against the run. he may make us regret the cap hit of Byrd down the road but not yet. we have a solid developmental FS now. those two on the feild on third and mile? yep i can see that I agree with most of this except the Vaccarro bit. Drive quarterbacks crazy is laughable. Uh-Oh Kenny Vaccarro is over there. I'm scared now. LOL!!! hagan714 likes this.

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